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This list is Free To Air on the Timeform website, so there is no sense of giving anything away that isn’t there to be seen by all.
Just for easiness of reference for those interested on this site, I have repeated the list here for anyone who may have a horse they are following in the list.
123 U S NAVY FLAG
120p ROARING LION
120p SAXON WARRIOR
119 VERBAL DEXTERITY
118p CLEMMIE
117p EXPERT EYE
117 UNFORTUNATELY
116p HAPPILY
116 FLEET REVIEW
116 MENDELSSOHN
116 OLMEDO
116 SANDS OF MALI
115p GUSTAV KLIMT
115 MAGICAL
115 MASAR
115 SIOUX NATION
114p SEPTEMBER
114p THE PENTAGON
114 INVINCIBLE ARMY
113p SACRED LIFE
113p WILD ILLUSIONObviously, US Navy Flag has been busy and may be a sprinter.
Sacred Life was one horse I wanted to see again but he was scuppered by the French stable staff action at Saint Cloud.
Gustav Klimt had a real star quality look when winning his maiden and remains with possibilities.
Any others stand out for forum members?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
stand out filly for me is Clemmie.I think the step up to guineas trip could make her even better.
One who still catches my eye(but written off by some because of her size) is September, really think she can be in the mix come mayOlmedo could go on at three and I look forward to seeing his return to the track
stand out filly for me is Clemmie.I think the step up to guineas trip could make her even better.
One who still catches my eye(but written off by some because of her size) is September, really think she can be in the mix come mayOlmedo could go on at three and I look forward to seeing his return to the track
The last I heard on Olmedo was this:-
Also excited about 2018 is Olmedo’s trainer Jean-Claude Rouget.
“He has run very well and he just wasn’t as hardened as the Irish horse,” he said.
“He has reinforced what we already thought of him, which was he is very good horse. We will prepare him for the good races next year, such as the Poule d’Essai and the Jockey Club, just as we did with Brametot. I think he is that sort of level.”
Brametot re-appeared in the Prix De Fontainebleau at Chantilly last season, a mid April race, and it would seem likely that the trainer might take the same path with Olmedo.
I will probably get a summary/preview for the French horses up when time allows. I may get plenty wrong but you can be sure I will be earlier than Liz Price, who usually puts up her list to follow after all the trials have been run. Not quite the same long term prospector. That’s why my pan is sometimes bigger when I am swilling it in the river.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I liked record breaker Saxon Warrior the most out of the 2YOs…i think he’s going right to the top. Mind you, i didn’t expect him to have to battle so hard in the RP trophy, so that’s a credit to Roaring Lion as well.
Also, another probably obvious one was Expert Eye. He looked exceptional before really struggling on his last run….i will be interested to see what way his 3yo campaign goes, it could go either way!
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Can’t wait to see Olmedo. On Arc day he travelled by far the best, but didn’t seem quite as willing to put the hard yards in. I think stepping up to middle distances will be the making of him.
I’m also a big fan of Unfortunately. He tanked through the Middle Park and made a very eye-catching move on the bridle before completely emptying. Assuming he strengthens over the winter and sees over six furlongs next year, I think he’ll win the Commonwealth Cup, in fact I might take the 16s available now.
I think Expert Eye is worth an ante post 10/1. That performance at Goodwood wasn’t random and on that alone without his dewhurst run then he’d be about 3/1 at best.
I actually hope we don’t see him again till the big day as it will keep that question mark over him. A victory would be very sweet for the believers. I learned long ago not to put too much faith into it but a little bit of Wham at 10/1 gets my juices flowing. Win or lose I’ll move on pretty swiftly.
Glad to see Roaring Lion right up there Steve.
Any idea what Timeform rated Charlie Appleby’s
GHAIYYATH (Dubawi-Nightime)(Galileo)I was really impressed with him on Future Champions Day at Newmarket winning the Group 3 Autumn Stakes running on up the hill.
Big imposing colt who looked to be improving every race and I think he might figure in some top races next season if he trains on…Jac
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...will keep a look out for your French piece steve, good thread this will keep looking in during cold winter months
I would be interested to compare to previous years to see if they are very good at this or just pick all the favourite horses for next years classics!!
Jac
111p Ghaiyyath
Thanks nw I’m pleased with that as he only just missed the list and yet to win a Gp.2 or Gp.1 but confident he will put that right next season.
One to watch out for.. JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...September rated lower than Masar is just ridiculous
Why?
Would you rate Happily behind September? If so, why?
Value Is EverythingAs they only raced against each other on soft heavy going doubt if you can have her above happily, but on her favoured top of the ground (on a line through Magical) maybe you could.
Playing devils advocate by the way
RPR happily best 112 for moyglare/lagardere win while September 113 for unlucky run in fillies mile,for me not a lot between them
As they only raced against each other on soft heavy going doubt if you can have her above happily, but on her favoured top of the ground (on a line through Magical) maybe you could.
Playing devils advocate by the way
RPR happily best 112 for moyglare/lagardere win while September 113 for unlucky run in fillies mile,for me not a lot between them
That’s my point, nwalton.
I would not rate September on her match ups with Happily, September did not act on soft. The two are imo closely matched on one horse’s best form against the other’s best form. But unless MOM believes Happily was 10 lbs below her best in the Lagadere then Masar has to be rated in the region of September and Happily due to the 3 lbs he gave the latter in France. For sure someone else might rate September a pound or two in front of Masar. But how can it be as MOM says “ridiculous” to rate Masar 1 lb in front of September before the female allowance is taken in to account?
Happily beat Olmedo and Masar in the Lagardere by 1 1/4 lengths and short neck, after that pair softened each other up by getting in a battle (colts could even be worth a pound extra). Happily coming through late. Distances won by, distance raced over and female allowance means there’s not much atall between the three Lagardere principles.
As can be seen in the list above, Chieveley Park winner Laurens isn’t featured – she’s rated 112 by Timeform. ie If they met in a race Laurens (with a 3 lbs female allowance) would be rated the equal of colts Sioux Nation, Gustav Klimt and Masar. They’ve rightly rated the unlucky September 114p as winning the Chieveley Park (2 lbs superior of Laurens). Which means if they met in a race (with a 3 lbs allowance) September would be rated 2 lbs in front of Masar, Gustav Klimt and exactly the same rating as Expert Eye.
Value Is Everythingthanks for clearing that up GT thought,just a slip by you (I am sure) Laurens won the fillies mile not cheveley park
Do Timeform have a figure for Alex Pantall’s Wootton.
After weighing it up I have decided he is my leading hope for the French colt’s next season.
I have already put the video of his Prix Isonomy win on the site but I have also tracked down the closing stages of his debut victory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO_nvjqeWnI
The colt does plenty wrong and swerves right across the track but he wins six lengths all the same. Had he kept straight he would surely have won by more than 10 lengths. With his similar margin win in the Isonomy won be La Cressonniere two years previously, this colt looks the business to me. Further progress is virtually guaranteed and the question is if he will come across for our Guineas?
Unbelievably, he is not in the French Guineas betting but is in our version. I assume the thinking is that new owners Godolphin will have little else to aim at Newmarket and this fellow will be their main hope.
I feel his debut win is as stunning as anyone could hope to see. Whoosh!
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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