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Some people are up in arms at the prospect of Timeform being owned by a bookmaker. They’re already owned by a bookie so I don’t see what the issue is.
There isn’t one. Though the bookie-bashers will continue seeking a reason to complain
Are many “up in arms” about it? Only seen Gingertipster moaning about it on here.
Of much greater concern is racing’s ever increasing reliance on bookmakers for an income.
Need to get rid of bookies man Rust as soon as possible.
On the face of it, don’t see any major changes for day to day exchange users.
All this consolidation probably makes the bookmakers more powerful in future funding negotiations though.
What will be Betfair’s approach to its voluntary contribution now I wonder, seeing as its new master doesn’t pay one.
So long as Paddy Power don’t infect the written tone of Timeform’s analysis, I don’t have a problem.
“Back Hunt Ball for the bantz, lol”
I don’t see what the fuss is all about, all the Timeform staff that present/show on C4,RUK and ATR all steer punters into the bookmakers web.
Biggest con-man of them all is good old Jim Mcgrath who maybe tips 1 out of 10 on a good spell and Graham Cunningham isn’t far behind, when Phil Bull ran the firm they were formidable and oh how he must be turning in his grave.
If Breon Corcoran put his PP hat on and decided to shoot the good ship timeform up into the sky it would have minimal impact on horse racing – If alone for the naming of the company, which is misleading. If you are going to use the words time and form in your name I would expect a detailed presentation of racehorse running times in their raw format, an analysis of moisture content, pore water pressure of the soil etc (as a by the way if nothing else in regard to soil mechanics on the day to support the strength of validity of the going the time is derived from), consideration of the topography of racecourse landscape in analysing said times, detailed physiological analysis of the horses running by diagram and stride pattern analysis, jockey and trainer analyis etc etc…. maybe I am grossly wrong in my previous reading of timeforms work but Ive never been left with a feeling what they do is anything other than pseudo scientific ”timefigures” that are presented by guys with degrees in english literature
Those who do not know how to use Timeform to make a profit will always blame Timeform rather than themselves. I’ve used Timeform for 30 years and made consistently good profits. Gave up my job a few years ago. Although having my own opinion/racing knowledge, they play a massive part in enabling me to analyse races correctly (profitably).
Whether Betfair profit from a horse losing (“layers”) or winning (“backers”) Betfair still profit.
Is it in Paddy Power’s interests for backers to profit? Potentially taking money from their bookmaker interests.
Will Paddy Power invest in Timeform?
Value Is Everything”Those who do not
know how to userequire Timeform to make a profit will alwaysblamequestion Timeform rather than themselves.”This is a content provider no different to the Thorograph / Brisnet / Equibase etc, PP currently use RP comments on their current website, Timeform would be an obvious substitute if the content is now free to them…another revenue stream potentially gone for the RP
If Breon Corcoran put his PP hat on and decided to shoot the good ship timeform up into the sky it would have minimal impact on horse racing – If alone for the naming of the company, which is misleading. If you are going to use the words time and form in your name I would expect a detailed presentation of racehorse running times in their raw format, an analysis of moisture content, pore water pressure of the soil etc (as a by the way if nothing else in regard to soil mechanics on the day to support the strength of validity of the going the time is derived from), consideration of the topography of racecourse landscape in analysing said times, detailed physiological analysis of the horses running by diagram and stride pattern analysis, jockey and trainer analyis etc etc…. maybe I am grossly wrong in my previous reading of timeforms work but Ive never been left with a feeling what they do is anything other than pseudo scientific ”timefigures” that are presented by guys with degrees in english literature
Their command of English literature is one of the prevailing reasons I stuck with them for even longer than Praisethelordginger: from the delightful “Rregistered at Stationers’ Hall” and floridly onwards through those glossy pages printed by the Charlesworth Group, Huddersfield, printed by Clays in Beccles, or should that be onwards floridly?
The name Timeform is a tremendous trademark and Mr Bull is to be congratulated on dreaming it up; but that was seventy years ago and race analysis – as you point out – has moved on and matured: soil moisture deficit at porous Doncaster compared with silty York: differential calculi and angular momentum at Chester, particularly at 5&6f; has any horse since Istabraq crossed forelegs over the last..blah blah blah
Timeform’s incorporation, supposedly to ‘old enemy’, is cause for regret to we old diehards who thought the Timeform ratings-and-spiel were a straightforward and indespensable adjunct to eyes and lateral thought, and worth paying decent dough for were always fooling ourselves…nasty old enemy knew what Phil and his prominent Dick were up to er…seventy years ago
It’s a shame to see Timeform swallowed and compromised again; and perhaps more presciently by another bookmaker, but I assume that the £££ flashed outweighed the Bullard legacy of a mock-socialist agenda
Gingertosserwankertitknowitalll’s 17,000 posts are there for all to see…rubs all up the wrong way but beats the book…
.;..hardest game in the world that
Their command of English literature is one of the prevailing reasons I stuck with them for even longer than Praisethelordginger:
Gingertosserwankertitknowitalll’s 17,000 posts are there for all to see…rubs all up the wrong way but beats the book…
.;..hardest game in the world that
playing a massive part in enabling me to analyse races correctly (profitably).
A “……..knowitalll” would not aknowledge Timeform at all, let alone aknowledge the “massive part” they play.
The Green Man strikes again.
Value Is EverythingHas the printed Perspective been ditched yet?
Which I believe was your bible for many years, as it was mine
Computer Timeform is so much easier to negotiate, though as with anything on a screen the involving tactility of leafing hither and yon is lost
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Has the printed Perspective been ditched yet?
Which I believe was your bible for many years, as it was mineI subscribed to Perspective for several years following Alan Potts method of the speed figures combined with h/cap mark and comments and whilst it was a good guide I found it hard to do what Ginger does and back more than 2 horses in any race.
To appraise each runners chances in every race daily is so time consuming that I often plumped for just one horse and unless someone is retired or unemployed it just wouldn’t be possible to evaluate the outcome.
My chosen method now is to back against whatever Jim Mcgrath and Mick Fitz. fancy
Has the printed Perspective been ditched yet?
Which I believe was your bible for many years, as it was mine
Computer Timeform is so much easier to negotiate, though as with anything on a screen the involving tactility of leafing hither and yon is lost
Perspective was scrapped some time ago Drone.
I get Race Passes which has more information than the old file Perspective. Worries about transition to something I was not familiar proved unfounded. On average, studying a race takes around half the time and am more accurate/successful. For me, it’s been well worth the extra money and wish I’d changed sooner.Praise the Lord that is Timeform.
Value Is EverythingI subscribed to Perspective for several years following Alan Potts method of the speed figures combined with h/cap mark and comments and whilst it was a good guide I found it hard to do what Ginger does and back more than 2 horses in any race.
To appraise each runners chances in every race daily is so time consuming that I often plumped for just one horse and unless someone is retired or unemployed it just wouldn’t be possible to evaluate the outcome.
My chosen method now is to back against whatever Jim Mcgrath and Mick Fitz. fancy
Why “appraise each runners chances in every race daily” Blue?
Specialise!
Only once in a blue moon do I look at more than four races on any given day; usually less. By no means look at it every day let alone every race.Unless it is a very open race (eg Sprint Cup) I don’t normally back more than a couple of horses as main bets and saver bets are only there to keep my confidence up.
Taking confidence out of the equation – backing multiple horses per race is no easier to make a profit than backing one. Doing it my way you have more winners, but you need more winners. If I had the confidence to get through long losing runs, I’d just back the one horse who I consider the best value. In theory, that would also result in bigger profits, but personally find choosing one horse leads to ignoring value outsiders. It’s a flaw in me which I get around by backing multiple horses.
However, if backing the wrong horses… be aware multiple bets only leads to losing more money.
Value Is EverythingAlways more than 1 dart in a race – I find I get more winners and subsequently profit. If I could find winners regularly by backing just 1 horse that’s exactly what I would do, but have tried that and winners don’t come round very often. What I need to do is stake more on outsiders as I have found I get more winners north of 10/1 than other shorter priced horses.
Each to their own I say
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