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Zoso. I can’t believe 16 will turn out for the Arkle. (look at previous runnings)
If Tidal Bay can iron out the errors, he will be placed. Noland still looks the one to beat.
Thats a bold statement Zoso.. The only way that will happen is if he tips up. If he stays on his feet he won’t be out of the first four. Look at his race record and then lay me a bet..
Really
I dont know anything about American Football and all I heard in the build up to the Super Bowl was that the Patriots were unbeatable and were an absolutle certainty.
I layed them at 1.24 and checked my balance this morning and I appear to have been paid.
I was told that it was an impossibility for Tidal Bay to be beaten on Saturday, I watched the race and he was beaten.
I laugh in the face of certainties and if you truly believe that Tidal Bay is a certainty to be in the first 4 then you need sectioning. He is not a 2 mile horse and will be exposed if he runs in the Arkle.
I will happily lay this apparent certainty in the place market. No problems. If he places I pay, either way keep smiling and enjoy the festival.
I’ve just wet though the field and i am damned if I can see him being out the three barring accidents of course. M Blaze would be good enough Cloph won’t run unless he does better than he did first time out and has been really disappointing over hurdles. If it turns up soft John won’t run Leslingtaylor and keep him for Aintree, Acambo is bang out of form which leaves the Irish horse Thyne Gain who they have reservations about running although they woud be mad not to go.
This is not a good Arkle and I wouldn’t lay Tiday bay for 10p
I’ve just wet though the field
Incontinent as well as incompetent Fist?
(only joking)
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Bosranic: your quote:
TBs mistake at the last was due to a combination of factors – he was actually going too well. Ruby should have steadied the horse and just popped him over, instead he allowed the horse to guess at the fence.
His performance was proof that he does have sufficient speed to contest an Arkle..
Trianer’s quote, after Saturday’s race;
Ruby said he needs a bit more time to organise himself to go over a fence.
Wonder which one knows best?
Noland was never going over hurdles.. He’d already proved all he needed to.
Complete bollocks! Just before it was announced he injured he was due to run in the hurdle at Cheltenham that Sizing Europe won this season – a race that has also produced plenty of useful horses in the past. In essence he’s a potential Champion hurdler running over fences – the only downside at the moment, Cheltenham-wise, is his lack of experience over fences.
Scallywag…
At the last I thought I might catch one of these to be fourth – Ruby Walsh, jockey; Ruby hadn’t ridden the horse before and I said whatever you do don’t burst him down the hill. He really wants further already, he’s a chaser through and through, but in all his races he always hits a flat spot but is brilliant from the back of the last flight. It’s a great start – Paul Nicholls, trainer
You can find this if you search the horses form on the RP… Nicholls said that straight after he’d won the supreme novices.. He may have run in the greatwood the following season but that was only ever a prelude to a chase career.
I’ll concede never was a bit strong!
I’ve just wet though the field and i am damned if I can see him being out the three barring accidents of course. M Blaze would be good enough Cloph won’t run unless he does better than he did first time out and has been really disappointing over hurdles. If it turns up soft John won’t run Leslingtaylor and keep him for Aintree, Acambo is bang out of form which leaves the Irish horse Thyne Gain who they have reservations about running although they woud be mad not to go.
This is not a good Arkle and I wouldn’t lay Tiday bay for 10p
It appears that you’ve completely missed out the winner in your analysis, Fist. I thought you were supposed to be a judge??
Pass – If he won by 15 lengths then maybe they would have gone for the champion but i’ll say it again – He always going chasing. He was never going to win the champion either lets be honest.
As I’ve already stated, Tidal Bays mistakes on Saturday would have floored most horses – he showed great athletic ability to stay on his feet. How he managed to get his legs out after hitting the last at the speed he was travelling is beyond me.
Some people on this forum seem to have incredibly short memories. Tidal Bay has a course victory to his name at Cheltenham over fences and his love for the track is evident looking at his record there.
If this horse stands up – a term I’m using in reference to the unpredictability of NH racing rather than the horses jumping – then there’s no way he’ll finish outside the first three.
I’ve just wet though the field and i am damned if I can see him being out the three barring accidents of course. M Blaze would be good enough Cloph won’t run unless he does better than he did first time out and has been really disappointing over hurdles. If it turns up soft John won’t run Leslingtaylor and keep him for Aintree, Acambo is bang out of form which leaves the Irish horse Thyne Gain who they have reservations about running although they woud be mad not to go.
This is not a good Arkle and I wouldn’t lay Tiday bay for 10p
It appears that you’ve completely missed out the winner in your analysis, Fist. I thought you were supposed to be a judge??
Grasshoper just because you don’t see the pebble it doesn’t mean it’s not in my hand
I take it you are referring to Noland………I wasn’t taking about him I was talking about Tidal Bay being in the first 3…….I can’t find what’s going to keep him out of the first 3 and there is only one Noland in the race not 3 so why would I have to mention him?
But your right I am a bad judge thats why I took 16/1 Noland weeks ago and why I took 12/1 Tidal Bay 1st thing this morning. I only need one of them to get a place to cover my entire bet and I did that because I haven’t got a clue……….I would say if they both get there safe and dound there would be little chance of them both finishing unplaced but what do I know I must be the silliest punter on the planet.
I have to say I wouldn’t want to be involved with a horse who’s jumping has started to show serious cracks when put under pressure.
Also his Cheltenham form in December has taken quite a few knocks since in the shape of Predateur and Gold Medallist (2/9 ouch!!!). Yes, Duc De Regniere came out and won at 2/7 but even that form is held down by the subsequent disappointing fun at Ludlow from Nikola.
Personally I think Tidal Bay is probably a decent place lay at about 2s, and Noland is a worth favourite and E/W banker at 5/1 with PP. Nicholls plans to get two quick runs into Noland soon so best get the 5s now because it will disappear fast if he impresses. Note the ground Folkestone was terrible the day he won, so on better ground he should be much more impressive.
I’m begining to worry about Noland a little bit. These two runs you talk about are now history. There is talk of his next run being on the 22nd and he will have to come out of that better than he did his last race. If he does run then he will have to have had a very easy race for PN to give him another one within a week. I doubt if he will want to run him within 10 days of the big one.Whch leaves him only 7or 8 days to get a 3rd run into him.
That is one tight scedule and it may be they will run out of time or they have decided to give him only one more run and go. If the date truns out to be true and we lose the meeting on the 22nd then their choices must become very limited. I doubt if the owner will want to send a good horse like him to Cheltenham half cocked.
I would have thought there would be another race before the 22nd perhaps someone can enlighten us on that. Where’s Beckie when you need her?
No, Fist, I’m talking about Charlie Mann’s Moon Over Miami. Miles better left-handed than right, and has a great affinity for Cheltenham (well, he’s ran great the twice he’s been there).
Just so long as the trainer brings the right horse to the track, he’s a penalty kick.
PS. I think Noland is a stone lay at current prices. I’m far from convinced he’ll make the race, and I reckon he’ll be a drifter even if he does.
Moon Over Miami beat a decent sort in Big Buck’s last time out. He’s demonstrated his ability to handle a variety of surfaces and obviously loves Cheltenham.
However, I do believe that Tidal Bay has his measure in most departments. A superior hurdling talent, Tidal Bay also loves Cheltenham and is most consistent, unlike the seemingly enigmatic MOM. Like Tidal Bay, his jumping has also come under close scrutiny and he also appears to need everything to go his own way to be fully effective – this is something he’s unlikely to get at Cheltenham, although the probable fast pace will be ideal.
If the ‘real’ MOM turns up then he rates a big danger. but I’d rather go with the consistent and seemingly classier Tidal Bay.
(only joking)
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