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I adore this man and have done since Captain Dibble won Ayr’s showpiece back in ’92. No one and I mean no one deserves the success he is having more than he.
When you speculate on one of his horses and it doesn’t pay you don’t feel let down because when NTD sends a horse out you know it will leave nothing on the track. If it doesn’t win it’s simply because there were better horses on the day. There’s none of this "he will come on for the run" so ubiquitous a statement with other trainers because NTD has them as fit and ready as he can every single time.
I can’t help single out the likes of Jonjo O’Neil, a trainer with everything at his fingertips, no expense spared and the wealthiest of landlords behind him and yet for Lord knows how long his horses continue to frustrate, just look at his recent stats on the RP site.
Oh! NTD you are indeed the punters friend because we trust you implicitly.
Yes he is a good trainer. But I do think he has been guilty of trying them in competitive races before they are experienced enough. With the quality of horse he gets Twister has in my opinion ruined some horses that may have done better given more time.
Mark
Value Is EverythingPlease tell me whom he has "ruined". Do you mean Granit Jack and Gloria Victis "ruined" or if not what?
I adore this man and have done since Captain Dibble won Ayr’s showpiece back in ’92. No one and I mean no one deserves the success he is having more than he.
When you speculate on one of his horses and it doesn’t pay you don’t feel let down because when NTD sends a horse out you know it will leave nothing on the track. If it doesn’t win it’s simply because there were better horses on the day. There’s none of this "he will come on for the run" so ubiquitous a statement with other trainers because NTD has them as fit and ready as he can every single time.
I can’t help single out the likes of Jonjo O’Neil, a trainer with everything at his fingertips, no expense spared and the wealthiest of landlords behind him and yet for Lord knows how long his horses continue to frustrate, just look at his recent stats on the RP sit
Oh! NTD you are indeed the punters friend because we trust you implicitly.
yes,absolutely right!this is a fine piece of trainership to bring on a horse,so young and inexperienced to win the PP.yes, i remember captain dibble very well too.well done nigel,good luck for the future!!
Please tell me whom he has "ruined". Do you mean Granit Jack and Gloria Victis "ruined" or if not what?
Erm – both died when absolutely hacking up.
If however you cast your mind back to Jack Doyle then we’re talking NTD ruining horses.
I don’t understand your definition of "ruin". It’s quite ambiguous. By "ruin" do you mean to knowingly set out to cause the demise of a horse?
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I don’t understand your definition of "ruin". It’s quite ambiguous. By "ruin" do you mean to knowingly set out to cause the demise of a horse?
I don’t understand your definition of "knowingly". It’s quite libalous. By "knowingly" do you mean he knows how to cause the demise of a horse and done it at the expense of the owners?
I commend your grasp on law and I agree but perhaps it would be helpful if you could respond to my question to Ginger who made a sweeping statement, once again, without producing a single shred of evidence to confirm what he said. It’s as if he loaded the gun and sat back waiting for someone else to fire.
And then Jack Doyle is highlighted, a horse that was injury prone, but I fail to see how NTD is/was responsible for these frailties. Am I missing something??
Anyway NTD has seen me right so far this season and I just wished to pay my respects publicly.
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I doubt any trainer would knowingly ruin a horse – in fact i’m pretty certain they wouldn’t.
But JD had the world at his feet (he was 1-1 vs. the great Cyfor Malta) and came back in handicaps only to get stuffed each time.+
But he got injured in the Cathcart and was never the same horse. You live in hope that they recapture what they once had but it doesn’t always happen as was the case here. To say he ruined him is a little unfair IMO.
Every trainer has regressive horses – its all part of racing.
Martin Pipe didn’t "ruin" Contraband for example.
Possibly KC. What I will say about NTD is that he trains his horses for the now – there’s no big plan in February or January for them. They are pretty much like the Meade horses in Ireland – very very good from August to Decembter and a bit hit and miss thereafter.
I agree Peruvian.
Take my namesake for instance. Never the same horse after winning at Chepstow and Nigel Hawke was unfairly blamed (although Rod Millman should have been credited with the Welsh National victory and that was the real injustice) for his demise.
As with a lot of horses that run in the Welsh National, it took everything out of him and he never fully recaptured his zest for the game although he was highly tried thereafter in the hope that he would.
Yes I can agree that Irish. Saying that King’s Road’s target was always going to be the Hennessy when he won it and then I think the Welsh National was an afterthought.
But I like the fact that he trains horses for now and not March/April. That to me suggests he is a good businessman. Why put all your eggs in one basket, it may not pay? Grab what you can when you can. Now that does pay.
May be "ruins" is too hard a word.
Twiston-Davis does exceptionally well with his novices but this is in my opinion detrimental to their future career. That is what I meant by "ruins", it did not mean he intentionally ruins horses.
When you look at the record of non-novices in Twister’s yard it is not so good. Seldom do they go on to win good races as established horses. Most get exposed earlier in their working life than other yards. Some seem to lose interest, getting poor temperaments and others seem to jump poorly (or both).
Knowhere may be a 10 year old but came to racing late and won his only two races as a novice hurdler before injury. Then won his first couple of novice chases (Perth and Bangor). Up to this point not a typical Twister programme. He then only won two of his next fifteen starts. That by a horse rated c160 by Timeform. A big risk was taken with such a promising horse when running Knowhere in the Grand National as a novice (unseated rider).It seems lessons have not been learnt as today TD has said Ballyfitz will have an entry.
Ballyfitz had a good second season hurdling but only had two runs as a novice, winning both minor novice hurdles (so bucks the trend). Imperial Commander has so far only had four races over fences, being injured early last season. His trainer deserves a lot of credit bringing him back ready for the Paddy Power. It is early days with these two and hopefully they will be here for some time.
Usually Twister’s best horses have hard seasons, running more often than any other top trainer. In many ways that should be applauded, but not if running them often and in competitive races does damage to their future prospects.
Ollie Maghern had a prolific novice season before injury struck. Since then he has proven best fresh. His Charlie Hall run the highlight of most seasons. Yet ran 6 times in 05/06, 3 times in 06/07 (before 06 was finished (injury)), 5 times in 07/08 including two runs within ten days in March. Ending the campaign rated with a squiggle. Hopefully this time around he’ll be aloud a rest of at least six weeks between races.
Am not saying Twiston-Davis is a poor trainer, deserves credit for his record with novices, just think it worth pointing out that this good statistic may be hurting other stats.
It also seems to me he takes more risks than other top trainers by running good horses on firmish going, or in tough handicaps as novices. More risks sometimes means great wins with improving horses but often a trainer is “unlucky” picking up more injuries. His four Grand National horses last year, Naunton Brook, Fundamentalist, Knowhere and Ardaghey all had doubts about their jumping. None got around, the former pulled up after missing the break, the others unseated rider or fell.
Last year, other than Ballyfitz, Knowhere and Peacock, all other established horses (non-novices) who ran in listed or better races had doubts about either temperament or jumping. Baron Windrush, Naunton Brook, Irish Raptor, Ardaghey, Tramantano, Fundamentalist, Florida Dream, Redemption. Have I missed any?
Mark
Value Is EverythingPlease tell me whom he has "ruined". Do you mean Granit Jack and Gloria Victis "ruined" or if not what?
Erm – both died when absolutely hacking up.
If however you cast your mind back to Jack Doyle then we’re talking NTD ruining horses.
Granit Jack fell too far out to be certain he would’ve won, probably woud’ve won but "hacked up"?
Gloria Vectis would probably not have won. I backed Looks Like Trouble ante-post so remember it well. His fatal fall meant I could not enjoy my winnings so gave a third to Moorcroft Rehabilitation centre for ex racehorses.
Mark
Value Is EverythingI commend your grasp on law and I agree but perhaps it would be helpful if you could respond to my question to Ginger who made a sweeping statement, once again, without producing a single shred of evidence to confirm what he said. It’s as if he loaded the gun and sat back waiting for someone else to fire.
And then Jack Doyle is highlighted, a horse that was injury prone, but I fail to see how NTD is/was responsible for these frailties. Am I missing something??Anyway NTD has seen me right so far this season and I just wished to pay my respects publicly.
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Please Kendal, do not take offence. It was you who said how wonderful the man was. The best thing since sliced bread. Where did that saying come from? Sliced bread is awful, bread is better home made. Anyway, I was just putting another view. I always intended to elaborate when time permitted. Was writing my response when you wrote this. Where did the "a sweeping statement, once again" thingy come from? Thought provoking may be. I always show evidence and whenever someone asks me a question I respond. So please do not expect everyone else to have the same opinion as you, it does not mean I do not like you, I even quite like the Twister.
Mark
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