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Forego the great gelding tested 5 generations
We had a great gelding over here called Teleprompter. I’m sure you remember him running in the BC Turf won by Pebbles? He won an Arlington Million too. Teleprompter had a similar sort of legend, ran for years.
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Thank you Racing Daily and I do remember him. He traded punches with Greinton I believe. Good ones. Not Forego caliber IMO but tough ones just the same. Thats what i’m talkin about though. Those war horses lol. I know the game is no longer what it was but if this era’s horses want to be in the same breath as those greats then they have to try and step and accomplish something beyond just the imagination.
I am not doing any comparing, I am simply pointing out the use of a certain approach to racing against a very good horse which you have failed to beat using the normal approach.I have no intention of starting the comparison game.The question was, I believe, how to beat Frankel,if possible.However viewing that particular video clip would be very informative for any who might question the talent of New Approach.
Hope he has a bad day (which any horse can do). Unless Tom Queally has a rush of blood again (which is unlikely now) you’re not going to beat Frankel whatever you do if he’s at his best.
Box him in thats the only chance you have.
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Andyod
, you are letting your obsessive love-in with
Galileo
cloud your comprehension. It has been stated by Henry Cecil
(1)
that
Frankel
stays in training next year, and
(2)
that he’ll tackle 10F then. Stop fretting and hold your horses!
Well, you could give the others 2 furlongs start
– and if that doesn’t work, then the only option left is to resurrect Tudor Minstrel and Brigadier Gerard. 
Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning
Can only agree wholeheartedly with Pinza’s last paragraph. Which is why we talk, during the winter, of the days when Arkle was racing, and those of us old enough to remember him find it difficult to see Kauto Star being compared to him. I still find it hard to hear people say that Kauto Star is better than my beloved Desert Orchid..ok,[and it pains me to say this] he is, but I still hate the thought. Can we agree on one thing, lastword and that is, when you see a truly great horse it stays with you forever and you just want to explain to people just what you saw and how great he or she was? Of recent years the horses that have made me feel that way have been Sea the Stars
, Zenyatta [thank goodness I missed her last race] and Denman. And we watch racing to see those horses and those races. Aren’t we lucky!
My three horses would be Hurricane Fly, Peddlers Cross and Grandouet and I’d stage the race at Plumpton.
AP
As we are playing fantasy tactics, i’d have Soba and Black Caviar employing spoiler tactics, and Pegasus waiting off the pace for the kill hehehe
I’d use a Manx Norton.
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We can agree Moehat that we are indeed very lucky. Don’t get me started with Trevor though
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If I may, I have two scenario’s. One is at the mile and in that one Sidney’s Candy says catch me to Frankel. Courageous Cat joins the fray and Goldi mows them down like bowling pins.
The second scenario is to get Frankel around two turns at a 1 1/8 at Keenland and again it’s the same scenario with Sid and Cat only this time Twirling Candy blows past them late.The reason earlier in this thread, I stipulated greatness in the "Timeform sense of the word" is purely because people will have different ways of seeing "Greatness".
In Frankel’s case it can not be as some see it "durability", he is yet to have as many runs / wins as Goldikova or Zenyatta for example.
Or "versatility", he is yet to prove himself over anything other than a mile.
But where Frankel is "great", is in his ability, his quality. He can put up a performance so good nothing in recent times (i’d argue "ever") has matched. Does not need to win over a distance or to win 20 races to show his "greatness".
I’d also argue that he has the best kind of "greatness". It is surely difficult for "veratility" or "durability" to be truly "great", when it is possible or even probable for them to be beaten.
How can we truly say after a race, that the horse who has finishes second or even third is the one "great" horse in the race? – When he/she has put up a rating inferior to the winner and is always going to be inferior to a winner who is not considered "great" and will never be considered "great".The mere fact Frankel has shown his "greatness" in only an eight race career should surely mark him as an even bigger star. There’s possibly an even "greater" performance in him.
I have favourite horses, many for their durability and versatility, but the true "greats" are the quality animals.
Value Is EverythingNicer to see a somewhat more reasoned and logical approach from our American friend (that comment does not relate to you Miss Wordford).
This tactic was used (and failed) in the Race of the Century in the King George when Bustino et al took on Grundy – granted over 1 1/2 miles. (Grundy, although my all time favourite was not in the class of Frankel).
In the Frankel case, whatever happens – he wins.
The only thing that can beat him, is if he is ill on the day, or jockey error / bad luck in running.
I would love the idea of the BHA getting sponsors to set up a championship of the world and give free entry to Americans, Australians, Europeans etc., to run at a fair turf track e.g. Newmarket, Newbury etc over a mile.
We all know the result – nice to see who would take him on though !Frankel is the best miler my eyes have witnessed. I can’t stop watching his Sussex win and the turn of foot he showed was, probably, the most annihilative I’ve seen. The manner in which he exploded 2 or 3 lengths clear in as many strides prior to sprinting away from Canford Cliffs has branded itself in my memory. What a striking performance!
The Hannon team can come up with as many excuses as they like but it won’t change the fact that Frankel is superior to Canford Cliffs.
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Frankel is the best miler my eyes have witnessed. I can’t stop watching his Sussex win and the turn of foot he showed was, probably, the most annihilative I’ve seen. The manner in which he exploded 2 or 3 lengths clear in as many strides prior to sprinting away from Canford Cliffs has branded itself in my memory. What a striking performance!
The Hannon team can come up with as many excuses as they like but it won’t change the fact that Frankel is superior to Canford Cliffs.
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I must say that anyone not willing to concede CC was over the top if only slightly after Goldikova, then they must realize Frankel’s win was more of a a visual trick. Never trust what you see. At least don’t depend on that alone.
Yes he acelerated but the horse behind him was now on his down trend and was spotting the annointed one 8 lbs and a 3 length cushion to work with. C’mon all. Admit you are jumping the gun here. And for the record, as Secretariat has no peer IMO, at the mile distance neither does Dr. Fager. The good doctor beats the likes of Frankel by 5 spotting him ten lbs. Any surface, the good Dr. was quite versatile. So enough of this best miler business.
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So enough of this best miler business.
I heartily agree, sir. Enough is enough. The votes are in, and you lost.
Frankel
has it on this Forum.
Accept that with a good grace, cease repetitive and tedious posts (20 and counting in two days) about these bespattered yankee crocks slugging it out on sloppy dirt.
Move on, as Shug McGaughey might have put it, to fresh fields and pastures new. Or maybe that was Milton. Now what’s the fashionable American phrase?…
closure
. Please.
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