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gamble there is no need for me to read any ancient threads, I stick by everything, I don’t like davies and never will, he knows this as I’ve told him and it’s mutual.
where’s the problem?
he doesn’t care and nor do I so why do the likes of yourself and Jilly campaign for him to be reinstated, it’s not happening.
I left the final furlong racing forum because of him and again he knows that, I like TRF it’s a log free zone!
have you no shearing to do gamble? can we all move on now? I don’t like cans of worms to be honest, I much prefer beans.:biggrin:
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I feel that Cormack’s standards should be higher than yours<br> and hope he reads my considered thoughts on page one.<br> You Jim may hate who you like<br> as you are not running the show.
Comprende :cool:
<br>On ladders – interesting thoughts. My ruminations on any changes are still at an early-ish stage and, having gathered many views, there is a lot to consider. I’m loath to change too much but technology marches on and I’m told by those who know more on these things than I that we’re falling dangerously behind. I got some bad ideas in my head
On deletions – I cannot recall one banishment whose disappearance wasn’t the correct course. ‘Thank God for the rain to wash the trash off the sidewalk’
On Gaaary’s place – Time dictates that I have no spare capacity for scribbling elsewhere I’m afraid. ‘Will you work Jewish holidays? – Anytime, Anywhere’
On the log – a difficult matter. Davies and I got on well once. I’m afraid, through his various actions, he lost my respect, several times over in fact. While I wish him no ill I feel the place is better without his overbearing, stifling presence. I’m afraid graciousness, normally something my ego would encourage, is in short supply on the ID front. ‘I don’t believe that one should devote his life to morbid self-attention’
On cans of beans – As you are aware Davies was deleted before my time and I have nothing to say on it as I don’t know all the ins and outs. Jim, too, will keep his counsel I am sure as he knows the matter is not for us to bring into the public arena. Everyone should surely understand that, for obvious reasons.‘There never has been a choice for me.’
On energy – Energy is contagious. This site, for all its current debates and arguments and for all that it may not suit some now as well as in the past, has, I think, a glowing ember of energy which is shining ever more luminous by the day, having been dimmed and exhausted of all but a lingering flicker last summer. ‘No longer will the wrong roads be taken.’
I hope that makes my position clear on the points raised, old black glove. Your ladder thoughts have given me most to ponder on.
‘Just the part about the contradictions. You are that.’
:old: Jiminey Cricket was the first Disney character to speak to the audience and my did that little critter have some energy locked up in that small bounding green bendy shape that seemed to engulf the whole screen as watching mouths fixated after dropping a full six inches. Had Jiminey been a member here he would have been altogether too much for the root and branch membership and I guess he might have lasted six weeks before his long tailed jacket was ripped from his back and his little walking stick fell to the ground. Why because he would have been an anachronism very much like myself.
Thank you for your late night reply Cormack. I was tired last night and gave an edgy performance. I see all your angles and points and you make personal and fully acceptable comment. I stilll feel some space clearing is needed to free up the energy and may log one final history lesson. I put off the car boot sale and the gym and stayed in today – monkfish tonight, cold crone to slake it down. Life is sweet and not too much change…
" For the record can I just say that I hope whoever eventually takes over the day to day running doesn’t change too much as I think the forum works pretty well as it is "
flatcapgamble… there’s a cricket outside, he’s cold and sorry and asks if he might be given some form of amnesty and alllowed back in ;) <br>
(Edited by gamble at 9:29 am on Feb. 11, 2007)
<br> :old: Back up with the lark
The ladder <br> I quite like it actually Cormack. My reason for mentioning the old history where chit chat I and II were in horizonatal format was the terrific volume of non-horseracing chatter which seemed to largely disintegrate when it was ‘verticalized’. Notwithstanding the fact this is a horseracing board, and it does seem therefore natural for horseracing issues to predominate, this is an area that might be looked at to increase volumes.
I mentioned the jiminey cricket character purely because he exhibits the most incredible cinematic energy ever created, and boards thrive on energy – and in the main good energy.
I willl attend to my tea and be back
I can be a bit of an :old: whingebag – got a reputation for gabbing a lot – so please ignore me if I AM GOING OVER THE TOP :)…but lets now lets consider the positives..
Daylight’s undying presence
I particualrly wanted to mention Daylight this morning linked with the sustainability of this house and its slow recovery after his very sad and sudden death. Talking of energy I still feel his tremendous presence on this board and I do feel your taking over stewardship here Cormack will mean his strength in here continues in furnace form.
The Daylight Cup in competitions is a fine idea, inspired by Jim I believe, and certainly Craig who was a terrific competitor would have liked the idea of competition in his memory.
The ‘save the racing forum’ is a testament to the endurability of this house in time of crisis, and thanks for saving it – the thread and the house. At times it reads like a sinking ship and I pay tribute to the forty five contributors who helped bale out ,not forgetting the extra eighteen hands who came up from the lower deck to join in the celebration as the waves were finally beaten back – and you Mack became the new Cap’n.
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I have been in and out and around these houses for years – the experience has almost bankrupted me financially and mentally, and yes given a walk back in time, and truthfully said, I would have better kept mum.
I recorded the historical drama of what was the initial two years of the blue period, obviously on the then chit chat, as Betfair broke through the clouds of historical conformity to become the goliath of bookmaking envy. I walked away with little from my years of ‘writting’ save one big prize I still treasure to this day. I wrested the soul of Betfair from Adrian Black and left him just enough – the innovative glory and inevitable gravy – as I become the son of Betfair – albeit illegitimate.<br> <br> I feel this site is still stuttering with energy flows due to unresolved anger and discontent over heavy matters. Ian apologies if I step over the mark – I have never met you (written together though) and view you still as a friend – but will cast all associations aside as I record the phlegmatic history of your time here.
To go where no man has gone before – starship Log
Going right back, I found Ian Davies a very fair moderator of the Flutter board, the very board I caused a war on (The famous Clone wars) and eventually as some may remember my own hand imploded it and caused it to disintergate. Despite his fair play, I did see a tendency in him to dig his heels in – in support of his opinion – he rarely budged it. No problem with that its what they call a strong character and I seem to be blessed with one of those. Ian wrote on several websites quite some time before his betting operation was set up. Jim would possibly call this a spamming period but his extensive writing overtook any benefit to advertising, and anyway he would have been a fool not to write notice of his impending business in a free medium.
To get back to the log, I did see a lot starch in Ian’s writing initially – I suppose his journalistic roots had crimped him somewhat in the tongue area and I saw a bit of a cleft. It was amazing to see his style lighten and change over the years and the real humour and devilment come out, and it was this unusual rocking that would eventually cost him with the mods.
It has been claimed by some his period on this board was stifling and overbearing. Certainly he brought the politics of racing to the fore, a subject foreign to many and not everyone’s tea. He and Redman’s hot barbie were ten thousand miles away in position and would battle out the pros and cons of exchanges till the chickens were burned and they were both blue – I forget the other big contributor to these threads bur Wit chipped in quite often. The discussions gave a new direction – some viewed them as elitist and white coat but of course they did have the off button.
On ‘save the racing forum thread’ Davies suggests he wrote 10,000 on here. I put it at around 6600, in his period, which was three years give or take (with a gap) and to my knowledge he never overtook Daylight’s 8000 plus. On his present website he is averaging 1500 posts yearly. Apologies if I am wrong on this but I watched his progress and posting count and would bet 1/4 I was bang on !
Re the spamming issue, Davies was quite within the rules advertising his website (it was even voted on) and evidence of the inordinate time he spent in the lounge – a largely defunct area (although the Needleman era bucked that trend) – defeats most business intentions for his bible length scribings… so the spamming argument is largely dead duck.
Davies saw this place as his home. He saw different directions for the site to the way Daylight was steering it – one idea was bringing mainstream jouralistic attention to it – and there were obviously exchanged writings between them. It was an incident in the chatroom, which Davies felt was wrongly handled coupled with his disatissfaction with the direction the site was going in that led to his ‘planned demise’. He blatantly through down his betting excahnge as a gauntlet to Daylight and attracted TRF members through a trap door. He finally discharged himself in a blaze of infamy – something he had planned and wanted. A novel exit and very mischievous and some might argue in a somewhat underhand way.
The posting up of the grit of private discussions re the possible sale of the site was the next some would call the disfavour Davies brought upon this site. Possibly it wasn’t his finest hour – but the detective and also the defective in me, was vastly interested in seeing this information in the public domain and previously Daylight had tendered information of ownership change possibilitires, quite openly, so I had a mixed feeelig about the rightness of Davies’s actions.
the Big Tony medium and 10,000 ectoplasmic offers
Not Davies’s finest hour at all – given the circumstances of Craig’s recent death, and you can read it in the Save the Racing Forum Thread. Davies had two motivations I feel; one was to win the site for his own and the second to prevent anyone obtaining it on the cheap. I feel Davies argued his case well, but it was a case that should not have been brought, not in that format at that time. Nul point, however in Davies’s favour he was self critical and I quote…
" and I include my own behaviour in that general criticism "
(the wording is difficult and he may not have been self critical of himself – just that he would be judged along with others. Judge for yourself in – Save the racingforum.)
Ian Davies has never openly advertised his betting site, instead he has let it grow by word of mouth. Strangely, he seemed to have far more interventionist, expansive plans for the Racing Forum whose acquisition he stated was for largely personal reasons. I have always believed he is much more passionate about talking houses than exchanged percentages. He did lay out his plans very categorically, but I have the suspicion that had he expanded and grown this site dramatically, as was his intention, then his ownership of it may have transferred from emotive and personal to practical and business.<br> <br> I am not convinced I would have liked this site annexed to a Davies business model* for it might have been too much for it and it might have lost its way slightly and possibly its direction. However if it was the only way to save the site I would have gone with it. Who Knows what might have happened? I do consider Davies’s business to be a beneficial punter friendly tool and hope it continues to work for him, given the current political uphill the small exchanges are encountering.
That tin of beans
Well I am all ears ! Cormack you said Jim would keep his counsel but Jim wrote last year
" I do dislike Davies but then I have reasons to dislike him but wont say because I will be dealing with all in good time. "<br> <br> I feel to have such a cloud hanging over a past member is bad energy for this site. Is it a legal matter ? I have never asked for Davies to be re-instated, he himself would only write in a token fashion anyway. I do feel past members should be considered for parole though as Daylight did with me.<br> <br> I am trying to space clear in here ! Cormack your ‘wishing Davies no ill’, is a positive from all this. I am in no way privy to all that has gone on behind closed doors. In that sense my account above may be unfairly coloured.
The Davies phenomenum – and I go against the grain ( 7 seamen for him and 11 against re his Big Tony medium appearance) in stating he was a positive for this site, despite the drawbacks. I hope one day there may be some conciliatory gesture to shake the bad energy by the hand and some form of accepting forgiveness – Gandi certainly and Lake possibly would both approve – but on the other hand – long live the status quo :cool:
flatcapgamble… all clear :biggrin:
* I wrote the above in some hurry yesterday and have re-edited a little. I have also revised my opinion on a Davies linked business model takeover. Much as I am happy and well satisfied with Cormack at the helm and the excellent way things are proceeding, I well remember Daylight postulating the setting up of an exchange on here so I would have had no opposition to a linked exchanged set-up. I also believe had the site fallen into his lap, Davies would have respected the independence of this site, as he has proven himself not to be an at all out dogged business man, but rather a slow snail taking small steps towards his pension. My reservations would only have been how the general membership would have accepted him
(Edited by gamble at 8:54 am on Feb. 12, 2007)
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I feel rather sanguine today<br> the sun is out and<br> I saw a horse race on the news last night :biggrin:
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The fact is Jilly no-one knows who I really am.<br>A black glove<br>An old blustering buzzard or,
I could easily be a forty six year old french divorcee<br> with a high up waist and higher up wharehouse<br> conversion supporting two huge glass windows that blast in <br> sunlight onto my pretentious half finished canvasses<br> in Bagnolet five miles east of Paris. <br> At night I might take the metro to pig alley<br> to pay for my oils in exchange for rougher art<br> in the faint hope that De Gaulle’s nose<br> hovering precariously over a decaying Notre Dame<br> might one day sell and give me a few quiet evenings<br> sipping iced vermouth in a favourite cafe on the left bank.
My identity aside, quite frankly the days excursions on here<br> in search of possible rectitude and intrigue leave me slightly frazzled<br> and bemused.
I’d suggest the ladder might be extended<br> I feel I might need it.<br> <br> Quite honestly :biggrin:
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I have written enough in this thread<br> and would like than Corm and others for the licence,<br> I have been off topic and will try not repeat this.<br> Possibly it is better to let sleeping dogs lie<br> however my questions lie in fresh sand<br> and feel were of some interest.<br> I suppose in a sense I still wear my old Flutter vest<br> and as it was ID’s birthday yesterday<br> (I just sneaked into his site) I will wish him all the best<br> and despite the upsets, thank him <br> for the large volume of good work<br> he put in here.
Corm keep up the good work<br> and best of luck with the changes.
:old: <br>Corm I appreciate your message below – By the way I have slighlty amended my posting overpage as the black glove had reconsidered thoughts :)
(Edited by gamble at 8:33 am on Feb. 12, 2007)
Thanks for that Gamble – I’ll do what I think is best for the site and no more nor less.
It’s an interesting road this one and each corner turned reveals some fresh landscape and, although I’m no Judy Garland, it has an Ozesque quality to it.
Oh for Kansas.
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