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    Avatar photoThe Ante-Post King
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    BS her undoing will be if one foou her legs fall off. VVV nice filly and worth fav. Mind you mat nothing wrong with wishful thinking, but would advice you t okeep it to yourself :)

    If Rainbow View doesn’t stay she wins

    If Rainbow View does stay she will probably still win.

    Impressed me!

    Fist are you trying to provoke me into a Duel?

    #227921
    rip van winkle
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    ive taken 6/1 on rainbow view, i stil dont think gosden had her in peak condition in the guineas and with a run under her belt she should make the frame.

    #228144
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    Looks like Leocorno will be racing next Thursday evening at Sandown with Frankie Dettori taking the ride, she is 50/50 for The Oaks, and she has probably recovered from her injuries whether she has recovered enough for an Oaks tilt, only this race will go to show how race fit she is.

    #228151
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    I already have Leocorno in the bag at big prices, but someone told me yesterday that the Cecil camp are growing ever more confident about Midday’s chances.

    #228271
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    I will be very surprised if Rainbow View’s stamina holds out over the Oaks distance.

    Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning

    #228279
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    Encouraging interview with John Gosden. I’m actually not too concerned about her stamina. She doesn’t look like a filly who gets overly excited and as long Jimmy Fortune drops her in and settles her she’ll be fine.

    Reading through the lines John Gosden wouldn’t mind if the ground had a bit of cut which leads me to think he isn’t too concerned either.

    I do like both Sariska and Midday but this filly had blistering speed at a two year old.

    I thought when she ran in the guineas, a race I never fancied her for ,she looked a different filly this year and had possibly grown faster than she had matured and would be a better filly later in the year. The fact John Gosden said more or less exactly the same thing in the press the next day pleasantly surprised me.

    I’ve already had a considerable EW bet on her and now we have seen the quality of opposition I’ve decided to take the plunge again. I think Sariska is a huge danger but I am trusting that Rainbow View can produce the same electrifying turn of foot that made her fav for the guineas and win.

    Still plenty of 6/1 about which might not be there much longer with John Gosden appearing positive about her chances.

    As far as I am concerned this race can put a bit of sparkle into the season and looks to have the makings of a very good Oaks.

    #228309
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    Encouraging interview with John Gosden. I’m actually not too concerned about her stamina. She doesn’t look like a filly who gets overly excited and as long Jimmy Fortune drops her in and settles her she’ll be fine.

    Reading through the lines John Gosden wouldn’t mind if the ground had a bit of cut which leads me to think he isn’t too concerned either.

    I do like both Sariska and Midday but this filly had blistering speed at a two year old.

    I thought when she ran in the guineas, a race I never fancied her for ,she looked a different filly this year and had possibly grown faster than she had matured and would be a better filly later in the year. The fact John Gosden said more or less exactly the same thing in the press the next day pleasantly surprised me.

    I’ve already had a considerable EW bet on her and now we have seen the quality of opposition I’ve decided to take the plunge again. I think Sariska is a huge danger but I am trusting that Rainbow View can produce the same electrifying turn of foot that made her fav for the guineas and win.

    Still plenty of 6/1 about which might not be there much longer with John Gosden appearing positive about her chances.

    As far as I am concerned this race can put a bit of sparkle into the season and looks to have the makings of a very good Oaks.

    FIST, put your money where your mouth is and grab the 7/1, as you say
    if this filly can be settled and covered for 11/4m, she will have too much toe
    for Sariska, Midday and my filly Beauty O gwaun! Whatever Beauty achieves at Epsom i think she is

    An absolute certainty

    to win the

    Irish Oaks

    the Curragh is tailor made for her with a bit of cut! Like i said at the start of this thread STAMINA is key! Has Rainbow got it?

    #228378
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    Has anyone heard anything about the Ballydoyle filly, Tamarind? Supposed to be a very nice horse, but very backward. 40/1 at the moment with WH; could be worth looking out for later in the year.

    #228380
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    I’d be surprised if she turned out to be anything out of the ordinary, moehat – she’s not particularly well related (by Sadler’s Wells out of a Darshaan mare certainly reads well, but full brother Crimson Tide wasn’t exactly a world beater and her half-syblings aren’t at all inspiring) and was put firmly in her place by Beauty O’Gwaun last time.

    She’ll improve for a step up in trip, but I don’t anticipate her troubling the better middle-distance fillies.

    #228446
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    Encouraging interview with John Gosden. I’m actually not too concerned about her stamina. She doesn’t look like a filly who gets overly excited and as long Jimmy Fortune drops her in and settles her she’ll be fine.

    Reading through the lines John Gosden wouldn’t mind if the ground had a bit of cut which leads me to think he isn’t too concerned either.

    I do like both Sariska and Midday but this filly had blistering speed at a two year old.

    I thought when she ran in the guineas, a race I never fancied her for ,she looked a different filly this year and had possibly grown faster than she had matured and would be a better filly later in the year. The fact John Gosden said more or less exactly the same thing in the press the next day pleasantly surprised me.

    I’ve already had a considerable EW bet on her and now we have seen the quality of opposition I’ve decided to take the plunge again. I think Sariska is a huge danger but I am trusting that Rainbow View can produce the same electrifying turn of foot that made her fav for the guineas and win.

    Still plenty of 6/1 about which might not be there much longer with John Gosden appearing positive about her chances.

    As far as I am concerned this race can put a bit of sparkle into the season and looks to have the makings of a very good Oaks.

    FIST, put your money where your mouth is and grab the 7/1, as you say
    if this filly can be settled and covered for 11/4m, she will have too much toe
    for Sariska, Midday and my filly Beauty O gwaun! Whatever Beauty achieves at Epsom i think she is

    An absolute certainty

    to win the

    Irish Oaks

    the Curragh is tailor made for her with a bit of cut! Like i said at the start of this thread STAMINA is key! Has Rainbow got it?

    7’s? wish my guy could get me 7’s took half the daya to get on at 6’s :shock:

    I don’t men to rain on your parade but you better someone rains on Beauty O gwaun. Round actioned soft ground specialist is where I see her future.

    You’re bumbing your load about a filly who has virtually no chance and would be 33/1 if she wasn’t John Oxx’s

    .This filly is without a shodow of a doubt a Soft/heavy ground horse. If she lifted her knees any higher sh would knock herself out.

    She absolutely revelled in heavy ground on her first run and it was hock deep that day. The second is a good horse but he didn’t actually win until he encountered faster ground.

    I am crossing my fingers to stop myself typing what I should be saying but a remark like "certainty" for any classic with her bamboozles me.

    She had the cut you mention when the ground was good to yielding and the race was over 3 furlongs further than he first race.

    Everything was in her favour if she was going to be a Classic winner. She should have eaten those alive. She was absolutely struggling to go way from a 33/1 that was bouncing up an down and going nowhere. At best the runner up could be called half decent and Beauty O gwaun won only on th nod..

    I think you should face it, her chances of getting heavy ground in a Classsic are about ziltch unless you know some Aboriginals going to the Curragh and your chances of collecting are less.

    How you could miss the above and think this is a Classic filly
    shocks me. I couldn’t even fancy her if it rained from now until June.

    #228452
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    Fist, very rare i need reassurance, but my people at Ladbrokes will let you
    have 10/1 Beauty O Gwaun for the Oaks! 8/1 with Blue Sq, now either
    You are having one of your moments, or i dont know Class when i see it!
    No its defineately not the latter! I have already stated she wouldn"t want
    fast ground! Whatever happens at Epsom, mark my words she will run in the Irish Oaks, how many 3yo fillys run against their elders at this time of
    the year, she is way better than you think prepare to be SHOCKED!

    #228453
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    Am a great fan of Rainbow View, backed her ante-post for the Guineas. She is bred to get at least 1m2f. But temperament might be against her. They blamed the very firm ground at Newmarket, but she just was not the same filly. Last year she sweated up / was edgy and keen to post and in the race. In the Guineas she did none of these things. And it was not a case of her settling down this term; as only a couple weeks before she showed all her two year old tendencies in a racecourse appearance.

    Therefore, she will probably be at her best if sweating up etc. But on the other hand; her chances of staying the trip would be far less if showing her excitable temperament.

    Mark

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    #228454
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    ‘My people at Ladbrokes’…

    What planet are you on?

    #228465
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    ‘My people at Ladbrokes’…

    What planet are you on?

    My people are those i speak to everyday, it may be in the shop or on the phone, i am friendly with all my people, particularly the tote girls, my
    favourite my people are the odds compilers at Corals! Never let me down yet! Why do you want to know what planet i"m on? Are you lost little one?

    #228502
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    Am a great fan of Rainbow View, backed her ante-post for the Guineas. She is bred to get at least 1m2f. But temperament might be against her. They blamed the very firm ground at Newmarket, but she just was not the same filly. Last year she sweated up / was edgy and keen to post and in the race. In the Guineas she did none of these things. And it was not a case of her settling down this term; as only a couple weeks before she showed all her two year old tendencies in a racecourse appearance.

    Therefore, she will probably be at her best if sweating up etc. But on the other hand; her chances of staying the trip would be far less if showing her excitable temperament.

    Mark

    Can’t agree with that at all. Many horses sweat up before a race and win time after time. That’s just the way she is and to say she never did it at Newmarket now and that means she’s not the same filly is ******* better I don’t say.

    Where do you pull these crazy idea from? I would think John Gosden knows the filly better than you and if he and they jockey say it was the ground then most likely it was the ground.

    First off she settles beautifully in her races and is far from excitable when it matters. Her sweating never stopped her winning 4 off the reel.

    Secondly go watch her when she beats Fantasia. The pace was much faster than her previous race plus it was a much classier affair. She was being niggled at turning for home and the sesponse wasn’t instant at all. When she straightened out she took her time to get there and despite beeing ridden didn’t really take of to very late in the race.

    She ran like a filly who looked as if she would appreciate further. The warning signs were there is you care to look for them and when she stepped up in class at Newmarket on faster ground she was found out.
    That combined with the fact her trainer reckons she still has abit of filling out to do would suggest she’s far from a forlorn hope.

    This filly isn’t a true miler and IMO she’ll get the trip. Whether she will be good enough when the time comes is a matter of opinion.

    #228625
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    Fist, very rare i need reassurance, but my people at Ladbrokes will let you
    have 10/1 Beauty O Gwaun for the Oaks! 8/1 with Blue Sq, now either
    You are having one of your moments, or i dont know Class when i see it!
    No its defineately not the latter! I have already stated she wouldn"t want
    fast ground! Whatever happens at Epsom, mark my words she will run in the Irish Oaks, how many 3yo fillys run against their elders at this time of
    the year, she is way better than you think prepare to be SHOCKED!

    The best chance she would have IMO is if the ground is soft/heavy.
    I’d probably get 5/1 about that at either meeting and you are advising me to take 10’s her getting soft ground and still having to win.

    Sorry but me feet are for kicking and I use my brain for thinking :P

    #228639
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    You are the one telling me she would be 33/1 if she wasn"t trained by Mr Oxx, i am merely confirming that its not just TAPK thats impressed with
    her,but Ladbrokes 10/1 and Blue Sq 8/1, perhaps you just cant see the
    untapped potential in this filly!

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