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Glad said:
“On a Saturday they get 30% top-up to their normal daily rate. On a Sunday it’s 60%.”One of my best friends is a Band 5 nurse. I’ll get your claim verified (or not) by her tomorrow.
http://www.nhsemployers.org
Section on unsocialable hours/payment.
There’s a table there.Instead of relying on the usual wheeled out narratives just do some ‘digging’ via internet – plenty on there.
Richard said:
“If you don’t like it, ask for a raise, go on strike or quit.”
Exactly. It’s still a free country.Admin – cant we have a quote facility to reply directly to members’ posts?
The Daily Mail and The Sun hitting a new low for me this morning.
Whether it’s nursing or any other profession, anyone can have an opinion on what they should be paid but the marketplace ultimately determines it.
It wasn’t trade unionism that made so many now ex-nurses make the individual decision to leave the profession, in fact it’s good to see the natural free market laws of supply and demand eventually give this government its comeuppance as so many ex-nurses decided they could earn more and have less stress in other jobs.
Tories hoist with their own free market petard.
I cannot believe training bottlenecks accounts for a staggering 140,000 vacancies – does anyone really believe there are 140,000 people queueing up to become nurses and only lack of training is holding up the process?
This strike is a wake-up call, and a tame alternative to them ALL leaving the profession en masse and the NHS literally collapsing.
No human being has a divine right when ill to have another human being care for them and their health.
That self-entitled idea is tantamount to slavery.
The day the nurses are on the right pay is the day there are no vacancies to join the profession and it’s actually going to take a lot more than even the 19% they’re demanding to achieve that.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“No human being has a divine right when ill to have another human being care for them and their health.
That self-entitled idea is tantamount to slavery.”
That could be interpreted as being a very anti-NHS stance, Chezza.
Well, it would be a mistaken interpretation as Chezza is very much pro-NHS.
But Chezza isn’t pro an NHS populated by quasi slaves, he’s pro an NHS populated by staff paid the correct market rate to attract and retain their services.
140,000 vacancies, demand for nursing staff far outstripping supply, illustrates better than any amount of words just how badly-paid a job it is.
We’ve all paid tax and NI for free healthcare – but that doesn’t give us the right to pay healthcare staff any amount we choose and still have them provide it for us.
They’ve got to be paid salaries that make it worth their while doing a very stressful job and not leaving the profession.
This strike is a drop in the ocean compared to the “permanent strike” action by every nurse who’s left the profession altogether in recent years.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"£13.84 an hour with two years until any pay progression? I could walk into my local Aldi tomorrow and leave with a job that pays not much less than that. When one considers the difference in qualifications required to do those two jobs it doesn’t become hard to see why the strikes are happening. Yes the long term prospects are better in nursing but I can see why you’d take the ‘bird in the hand’ over the ‘two in the bush’ at present.
It all comes back to if the unsocial hours etc are so good, why all the vacancies?
This is not a swipe at supermarket workers, they do an essential job, I’m simply highlighting a job that needs few qualifications paying not much less initially than one that needs years of training.
Good grief the papers make vile reading. It’s alright for the overpaid hacks of course, they can afford private treatment.
I don’t actually see a problem with not taking needless risks to avoid putting strain on the NHS, maybe if people thought like that all the time we wouldn’t be in such a mess.
Freedom is like most things: once people are used to something, it’s very difficult to take it away from them.
There are many forms and interpretations of “freedom.”
Like the freedom to walk down the street and shoot someone.
And the freedom to walk down the street without the fear of being shot.
The freedom always, without fail, any minute of any day, to be able to act irresponsibily and expect someone to fix you for free if you injure yourself?
That an interesting one – and right up there with my first example in my estimation.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"The trouble with rightwing gammons is that they shout loud and long about freedom for themselves but try to deny it to others. Surely, nurses have the freedom to vote on strike action and then hold a strike if that is the result of the vote?
The hypocrisy is staggering.
For what it’s worth, my reading of Ian’s point was ‘don’t take the NHS for granted, don’t expect them to accept low pay out of the goodness of their hearts’.
Richard nails it – again.
Exactly that.
Gladders’s latest remark I agree with too – it’s actually free market forces causing this NHS crisis, not a strike which nurses have a every right to stage.
If you pay badly, people will eventually walk away from any job, even in caring professions which tend to attract caring people.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Several nurses that I know have worked abroad occasionally where pay and working conditions are so much better but have always returned because it’s what they do. I know a MacMillan nurse that has given up: she was totally dedicated but just had to give up.
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