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    Question 1: How does nurses going on strike endanger life more than, or even just as much as, nurses leaving the profession because they are sick of poor pay and working conditions?

    Question 2: How do empty gestures like “Thank You, NHS” and banging pots and pans help nurses pay their bills?

    Question 3: How many of those who were so apparently so demonstrably grateful to nurses would be prepared to pay more income tax so nurses can have a proper pay rise?

    My answers would be: It doesn’t, it doesn’t and depressingly (and hypocritically) few.

    What would YOUR answers be?

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    #1626772
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    I’m not clever enough to
    answer questions – it might
    be because I’m odd.

    £23000 pounds a year is what the Nightingales get.

    You can keep 4000 people alive for a wild year for that amount…

    Only problem is they could
    all sign on as extras for
    Night of the Living Dead.

    #1626778
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    There’s a simple reason why Chezza couldn’t work in a caring profession – he doesn’t care.

    But it seems to Chezza that they don’t half take advantage of those who do.

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    MERRY XMAS edit from down on the farm. :yahoo:

    #1626792
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    The Tories say they can’t give a 19% pay rise … It wouldn’t be 19% if they had kept up with salary increases ….. They need to quickly find a solution , also while we can’t afford to do this we can lose 16 billion in a financial experiment …

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    I would answer the questions exactly as you have Chez.

    Completely agree with HDLG too, they’ve got the billions to blow up the wall on things like the useless Test and Trace and of course to line the pockets of their chums but nothing to pay people properly with.

    MPs meanwhile get to vote on their own salaries. Perhaps everyone else should be allowed to as well or we could peg nurses’ pay rises to that of MPs. Maybe just clap for MPs to show our appreciation?

    Yes the NHS has its problems, what large organisation doesn’t? I suspect most of the problems are down to those higher up the food chain. I thankfully have limited direct experience of the NHS (one night in hospital since being spawned a few decades ago). However I have to say that absolutely everyone I interacted with in there was fantastic. The people on the ground really do care but they can only be pushed so far.

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    Question 3: How many of those who were so apparently so demonstrably grateful to nurses would be prepared to pay more income tax so nurses can have a proper pay rise?

    As with all public services everyone wants them to be better and the same everyone wants someone else to pay for it.

    If a brand new political party was formed today with a manifesto detailing massive investment in the public sector and infrastructure (lets leave aside the fact that chucking money at things isn’t always the solution) and at the same time said this would require hefty tax rises to pay for it how do you think they would fare at the ballot box.

    Sink without trace I reckon.

    #1626856
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    We don’t need to pay more income tax.

    The government needs to raise more tax revenue from the wealthy and spend its money more wisely.

    #1626860
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    Just to make his position clear on the subject, Chezza wouldn’t waste taxpayers’ money by renationalising anything and paying off shareholders.

    No, he’d create new government-owned companies – Great British Energy, Great British Railways, Great British Telecoms etc – bring in legislation to give them brazen gigantic trading advantages over their privately-owned competitors and slowly watch all these windfall-dodging companies collapse into worthlessness.

    There is a six-figure NHS vacancy list for a reason – it’s a lousy, underpaid, overworked, job in a system close to collapse.

    We’re going to hear a lot the next week about deaths caused by the nurses’s strike.

    Ironic, really when far more deaths have been caused by 12 years of neglect.

    I don’t blame nurses for striking any more than I blame ex-nurses for walking away from the profession.

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    “£23000 pounds a year is what the Nightingales get.”

    That is disgracefully low, how on earth do they expect these poor people to ever afford porperty?

    I guess, as always, the government don’t give a flying f*** about the people of the country, absolute cretins those in charge, I’d like to know how much the average property price has gone up in most cities over the past 20 years compared to NHS staff wages…..This is why Ben avoids the news when possible, it just makes me angry!

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    Sunak is playing hardball without a ball , all of Starmers pmqs were about the nurses strike , he niem keeps away from strikes for good reason …. He knows this is a massive stick and it’s going to hurt the Tories , they can avert eyes off things when a boat capsizes and they can mook concern , this can’t be covered up , it’s touching everyone

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    I never once stood on my doorstep clapping for the nurses because I saw too many people doing so but breaking covid restrictions and endangering themselves and others thus creating more work for the NHS. But I would now stand on my doorstep and bang saucepan lids to support the strike. However, nobody seems to be doing so. Strange, that.

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    “I never once stood on my doorstep clapping for the nurses….But I would now stand on my doorstep and bang saucepan lids to support the strike.”

    100% THIS.^

    Lounge post of the YEAR from Moehat there.

    “Thank you, NHS” and all that shallow malarkey actually made me feel physically sick at the time because I just knew, when push came to shove, they’d never be given the financial rewards they deserved.

    Very well said, THE Moehat!

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    #1626967
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    I see RPI is the measure of inflation this union, like RMT, is basing the demand upon. Gordon Brown threw that one out as an inlation measure for most and insisted on CPI well over a decade ago.

    #1626972
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    I see RPI is the measure of inflation this union, like RMT, is basing the demand upon. Gordon Brown threw that one out as an inlation measure for most and insisted on CPI well over a decade ago.

    I’m afraid that means nothing to me!

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    #1626979
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    Retail and Consumer Price Index. They are a both a measure of inflation and are calculated fairly similarly but CPI invariably comes out lower.

    #1626980
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    Thank you, Richard.

    Rather than looking at different ways of measuring inflation, if nurses are, in actual fact, well paid, why have so many left the profession and why are there so many vacancies?

    Don’t they enjoy being (allegedly) well paid?

    I’d speculate far more lives have been lost as a result of former nurses exercising their right to leave the profession than will be caused as a result of industrial action taken by those still in the profession.

    But I doubt the media will see it that way.

    But then this is the media who wondered if “Matt Hancock got the forgiveness he sought” on I’m A Celebrity.

    “He certainly got the £400,000 he sought” was Chezza’s take on that.

    Morality is dead in 2022 Britain.

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