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    Avatar photoGladiateur
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    I’m surprised that there isn’t already a thread on this.

    Twister has announced today that his stable star has displayed an aptitude for the larger obstacles at home and will be sent for a novice chase once a suitable opportunity can be found. The horse is rising nine but there won’t be many classier hurdlers switching to the bigger obstacles this season; what will be his Cheltenham target? Were he mine, I’d opt for the JLT over the Arkle… although I’d love to see him tried over three miles.

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    An unsurprising development in my view, as I think that he would be difficult to place over hurdles now a days. I too would like to see him tried over 3 miles.
    I think it unlikely that STD would be available to ride him very often due to the array of novices within the Nicholls yard. A sensible move would be to identify a pilot who would be regularly available to ride him and give him a consistent education.

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    An angle I like when sizing up potential novice chasers is focusing on horses who were poor jumpers of a hurdle. They can often improve in leaps and bounds when sent over a fence. A prime example of this for the season to come is Our Duke of the Jessica Harrington stable, who reached a high level of form over hurdles (placed third in a G3, RPR 136) but is the type who could bridge the gap to the better novice hurdler when they clash over fences. He had no respect for the smaller obstacles but has a high level of natural ability and a fence could be the making of him. Now this theory doesn’t always work out but for me just because a horse jumps a hurdle well doesn’t mean he’ll jump a fence well and there can be value in backing those who were not the best hurdlers when faced with the bigger obstacles.

    The New One is not the best jumper of a hurdle. However, the difference with The New One is that he seems to have some sort of physical issue which prevents him form getting from A to B in an efficient manner. I can’t see a fence lessening this issue and it could make those jumps out to the right when under pressure all the more alarming.

    My immediate thought when I saw this news was that he’ll likely make the market for something else in March. I’m not sure if he goes chasing or not but Yanworth would be my idea of a JLT horse.

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    An angle I like when sizing up potential novice chasers is focusing on horses who were poor jumpers of a hurdle. They can often improve in leaps and bounds when sent over a fence. A prime example of this for the season to come is Our Duke of the Jessica Harrington stable, who reached a high level of form over hurdles (placed third in a G3, RPR 136) but is the type who could bridge the gap to the better novice hurdler when they clash over fences. He had no respect for the smaller obstacles but has a high level of natural ability and a fence could be the making of him. Now this theory doesn’t always work out but for me just because a horse jumps a hurdle well doesn’t mean he’ll jump a fence well and there can be value in backing those who were not the best hurdlers when faced with the bigger obstacles.

    The New One is not the best jumper of a hurdle. However, the difference with The New One is that he seems to have some sort of physical issue which prevents him form getting from A to B in an efficient manner. I can’t see a fence lessening this issue and it could make those jumps out to the right when under pressure all the more alarming.

    My immediate thought when I saw this news was that he’ll likely make the market for something else in March. I’m not sure if he goes chasing or not but Yanworth would be my idea of a JLT horse.

    Yanworth stays hurdling Tommy. He’s being aimed at the Coral Hurdle at Ascot next on the same day as the Amlin and Haydocks’ Betfair Chase. I cling to my 125/1 Champion Hurdle vouchers with pessimistic optismism :wacko:

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    As for The New One I can only see this ending badly. True Tommy, some mediocre jumpers come to life over fences. I can’t see it here though. I expect he’ll be back over hurdles by the time Cheltenham rolls up in March :negative:

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    Smacks of desperation. The new one isn’t that big for a chaser. In a novice chase i’d take an old fashioned irish store horse over him any day of the week.

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    As a novice he looked to me a potential chaser; they don’t all need to be big and rangy. But I’m with Tommy, his well documented issues with jumping right, especially under pressure, would deter me from any long term bet, though I’ll be interested to see his style. They make a different shape over a fence and it could just be that it eases or misses whatever his pressure point was. Having said that, the worry now will move from his kissing spine to his legs.

    He wants a trip and has done since he was a novice. Had a cracking record as a youngster when stamina was at a premium whereas all his short-trip jumps victories have come at odds on in small fields. Perhaps one of the worst-campaigned high class NH horses ever, very probably driven by Twister’s bloody-mindedness in trying to prove to everyone he had a champion hurdler.

    Will he finally see the light and give the horse a chance as a stayer?

    #1265682
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    Simply can’t have it. He simply doesn’t jump properly and isn’t proportioned correctly for a fence. He’ll have a terrible campaign sadly and connections will have have a last roll of the dice and throw him in the World Hurdle. It’s too obvious to me.

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    Entered in a 2m 1f novice chase at Market Rasen on Saturday; interestingly, he hasn’t got his annual entry in what was the Captain Quist Hurdle at Kempton the following day.

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    He’s already had a long career and I really don’t like hurdlers that switch so late. It’s far easier to think of the catastrophes than the successes

    Agree with all the above but he’s is and was a lovely horse with a tremendous attitude

    #1266959
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    Not declared in the end.

    Possibly a missed opportunity, considering two of the three to have stood their ground comprise an eighteen-month absent fellow eight-year-old and a 54-rated John Cornwall camel; though at the same time I’m not entirely sure the sharp track and occasionally trickily sited fences (notably the first in the straight) render Market Rasen the best place on Earth at which to gain experience of getting into a nice jumping rhythm.

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    #1266961
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    Entered in the Best Mate at Exeter along with Old Guard and Le Prezien

    http://www.racingpost.com/horses2/cards/card.sd?race_id=659649&r_date=2016-10-18#raceTabs=sc_

    #1267047
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    Did he not have kissing spines? Perhaps I imagined that. I think it’s fair to say that many King’s Theatres are better hurdlers than chasers, but at this stage it’s worth a go surely? He is out of options over hurdles.

    #1267134
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    No you are right Louise, he did have kissing spines, allegedly sorted now.

    #1267183
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    My 86yo father – hereafter to be known as The Old One – has been troubled with kissing spines, or Baastrup Syndrome as it’s known in humans

    Enlargement of the Posterior Spinous Projections of the Inferior Zygapophyses

    Or summat like that

    Anatomical terms are wonderful

    Zygapophyses – Anglicized Greco-Latin doesn’t get much better than that

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