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Lingfield is a lovely track, which always helps, Tuffers. Also, I think the card on Saturday is a non-levy funded Horsemens card and thus functions outside the tariff.
The Horsemens Cards are the (roughly) one hundred and fifty or so fixtures threatened with excision earlier this year and subsequently renegotiated by the Horsemen and the racecourses.
Bryan Smart also said in the piece I mentioned earlier that there are problems with the Wolverhampton surface – "not riding as well as it should do" – and he was reluctant to run his horses there.
(The winddown of the winter flat season? The M6 roadworks? Dancing on Ice on TV? Mick McCarthy? Fears over the re-eruption of the caldera at Krakatoa…(etc etc).)
There’s a Take That tribute band after racing which probably frightened a few off
Two thoughts: first, the surface at Wolverhampton is very different from that at Lingfield – I was watching the racing on Monday afternoon and thought the kickback was reminiscent of the Equitrack whereas there is very little at Lingfield.
Second, the stock response to ANY attempt to reduce the fixture list, as with so many things, is to simply throw more money at it whether it be from the bookies, exchanges, racecourses and others.
IF there is so much money sloshing about in racing, why can’t it be used to improve the lot of stable staff, betting shop staff, small breeders etc instead of being used for more low-grade racing which, in truth, almost no one wants ?
Had these 150 cards not seen the light of day, I doubt it would have made an iota of difference. In my view, the BHA should cap the fixture list at 1,000 meetings and if that means the immediate scrapping of twilight betting-shop fodder, so be it.
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/horsemens-group-simon-bazalgette-paul-dixon-roa-jockey-club-racecourses-add-2-2m-prize-money/817431/racingbusiness/
Whatever the cynics may say, it’s working….
That money is coming from Jockey Club Racecourses, an organisation that reinvests all of its profits back into the sport, cjboy. They probably have more to spend after the Turf TV rights deal and I’d say it also includes the £500,000 gift Betfair gave JCR a few days ago. There are 45 racecourses outside the JCR umbrella and if you scroll to end of the article you linked to, you’ll see a quote from the RCA along the lines of the tariff as it stands is "not credible". If racing wants the tariff to be credible they’ll need a bit more support from those trainer boys. The breakers list is long and growing…
New noteables on the national hunt breakers list today are…
Sheena West
Andy Turnell
Paul Nicholls
Lady Herries
Nick Gifford
Philip Hobbs
Jonjo O’Neill
James Ewart
Brian EllisonNicholls and Hobbs come on board today with runners at Kempton. Jonjo also joins the list with a runner for P A Byrne. Is that the same Patsy Byrne that The Great Struggler has occasionally trained a horse for?
I’d say the RCA will be quaking all-right. "Credibility" and all that…
New on the national hunt tariff breakers list for Saturday include…
Jim Goldie
Martin Todhunter
Nicky Richards
Sue Bradburne
Maurice Barnes
Rose Dobbin
Willie Amos
David Pipe
Rebecca Curtis
Jim Old
John O Shea
Emma Lavelle
John Upson
Charlie Swan
Tony CarrollWhat’s your point C-R??
Sounds like you are a supporter of low prize money, as you gleefully point out when trainers reluctantly enter below tariff races. There are many reasons for this, but selective actions at s certain meetings make a point quite well, just as trade unions use one day strikes to make their point.
Come to think of it, you don’t like racing much do you? Why bother?
What’s your point C-R??
Sounds like you are a supporter of low prize money, as you gleefully point out when trainers reluctantly enter below tariff races. There are many reasons for this, but selective actions at s certain meetings make a point quite well, just as trade unions use one day strikes to make their point.
Come to think of it, you don’t like racing much do you? Why bother?
I think C-R is trying to make the point that the NH trainers have turned out to be a bit of a broken reed as far as the Horseman’s Tariff is concerned.
I suspect the Horseman’s Group will say if challenged that owners have only been invited to take the Tariff into account when making entries.
For my own part, I’m certainly more conscious of the prize-money on offer when making entries but it’s still more important to go for a race you think you can win as the prizemoney is irrelevant if you don’t expect to finish in the frame.
The main problem horse racing has is the fragmentation of the whole. It’s like a jigsaw puzzle. I lose count of the number of separate interests involved. With the exception of the ill fated, oft ridiculed NAPP, the puzzle doesn’t involve
consider
the interests of punters.
How can a tariff, imposed by another interest group, "The Horsemen", work unless trainers and owners support it? Cavelino – as fanatic a horse race enthusiast as you’re likely to see on TRF, cjboy, btw – is pointing out that the tariff needs support to make it work. Without it, it’s just an empty, powerless, ersatz wish list, like the Toffalition’s Big Society.
Not too many more names to add to the list today, almost everyone of note is on it already…
Victor Dartnall
Ron Hodges
Paul Webber
David BridgewaterNicholls, Pipe, King, Henderson, Twiston-Davies, Hobbs, all have horses running in sub-tariff races today.
I’ll compile the first week of tariff data and address a few comments later in the week, when things have calmed down a bit. Lets hope for a safe days action this afternoon.
Here’s a compiled list of National Hunt tariff breaking trainers for the first week of the scheme. The list is not exhaustive, I’ve only included names that would catch my eye as I scroll through a racecard.
Alan King
Alan Swinbank
Alison Thorpe
Andy Turnell
Bob Buckler
Brendan Powell
Brian Ellison
Charlie Longsdon
Charlie Mann
Charlie Swan
Colin Tizzard
David Bridgewater
David Evans
David Pipe
Donald McCain
Dr Newland
Emma Lavelle
Evan Williams
Ferdy Murphy
Gary Moore
George Baker
Henrietta Knight
Henry Daly
Howard Johnson
Ian Williams
James Ewart
Jim Goldie
Jim Goldie
Jim Old
John O Shea
John Quinn
John Upson
Jonjo O’Neill
Kim Bailey
Lady Herries
Lucinda Russell
Lucy Wadham
Malcom Jefferson
Martin Todhunter
Maurice Barnes
Micky Hammond
Nick Gifford
Nicky Henderson
Nicky Richards
Oliver Sherwood
Paul Nicholls
Paul Webber
Peter Bowen
Philip Hobbs
Rebecca Curtis
Richard Lee
Ron Hodges
Rose Dobbin
Sheena West
Sue Bradburne
Sue Smith
Suzy Smith
The Great Struggler
The Twister
Tim Easterby
Tim Vaughan
Tom George
Tom Tate
Tony Carroll
Venetia Williams
Victor Dartnall
Willie AmosWhats amazing is how entire racing valleys will bristle and hiss in
unison
at the very mention of a bad ride if its directed from an
outsider
, how racing is a veritable chorus when it comes to eulogizing its own, how racing looks after its own (regardless of what they’ve done), but when it comes to unifying to support an initiative of the umbrella group that represents them, an initiative designed to help protect their declining incomes and thus their futures, they seemingly don’t give a fig.
The squawking rabble and their horses…
http://www.racehorseowners.net/en/news/ … march-blog
I thought that was relevant to the topic on the day Dixon has announced he’s leaving the position of ROA President.
http://www.racehorseowners.net/en/news/index.cfm/march-blog
I thought that was relevant to the topic on the day Dixon has announced he’s leaving the position of ROA President.
To be honest, I think the points Paul Dixon makes are perfectly fair. We will certainly be looking to run at Tariff compliant courses from now on and the whole issue of the tariff has made me take much more note of the prizemoney on offer when comparing possible races.
I’ll be interested to see what the flat boys do when the flat tariff comes into effect. My feeling is that some flat courses will really struggle for runners this year.
Remember when Johnno and Willie Haggas boycotted Yarmouth three years back? Racing for a stick of rock and a toffee apple. Christine Dunnett scabbed and Johnno rang her up complaining/harrassing. Before long, it was business as usual on the East coast. Be interesting to watch this.
On a related note: New ROA President-in-waiting Rachel Hood (Johnny G’s partner), led the protests against Lord Derby’s house building plans in Newmarket – successfully, appeals permitting. Even if Lord Derby’s tantrums succeed, she looks like the type of woman who’d throw herself in front of a big digger. Which puts her well up on the front page of my coolbook. Could be a good President.
John Gosden had no problem running Songjiang in a sub tariff race at Kempton the other night. As eloquent as he is, I’ve never heard him utter anything about racing’s finances that didn’t include taking more money out of punters (customers).
The fact Kempton are under the tariff for any race just highlights the bigger issue of distribution.
Here’s a look at Dixon’s favourite group of racecourses, who are clearly paying great attention to the tariff.
Jockey Club Racecourses
24th Feb – Huntingdon -£2,295 (6/7 races under the tariff)
25th Feb – Sandown -£12,348 (6/7 races under the tariff)
25th Feb – Warwick -£3,832 (4/6 races under the tariff)
26th Feb Kempton -£2,190 (6/7 races under the tariff)
5th Mar Kempton -£8,048 (7/7 races under the tariff)
6th Mar Huntingdon -£10,222 (7/7 races under the tariff)8th Mar Exeter +£4,150 (6/6 races above the tariff)
10th Mar Carlisle -£3,578 (6/7 races under the tariff)
10th Mar Wincanton -£3,079 (5/6 races under the tariff)
11th Mar Sandown -£4,755 (4/6 races under the tariff)
11th Mar Wincanton -£508 (4/7 races under the tariff)12th Mar Sandown +£64,840 (2/6 races above the tariff)
13th Mar Market Rasen -£6,772 (7/7 races under the tariff)
13th Mar Warwick -£3,955 (6/7 races under the tariff)And then there’s Wednesday 16th March………
Cheltenham £370,080 above the tariff.
Huntingdon £2,050 below the tariff.
Those at the bottom levels are still running for unsatisfactory numbers, even at Dixon’s favourite racecourses, and those at the top are running for bigger numbers than ever before.
I know the flat minimum tariff has not yet commenced but Mr Dixon and Partner had a well backed winner at Kempton on Weds night in a Class 6 claimer – horse called Thunderball.
Did this race meet the minimum tariff level? I don’t think so but apologies if wrong!
By the way I support the charter. Something needs to be done to help owners below the top tier.
Did this race meet the minimum tariff level? I don’t think so but apologies if wrong!
Mr Dixon has had a few runners since the tariff came in. He’s taking lessons in double standards from his mate at the BHA by the looks of things.
race date…… owner name… horse name………… Tariff….. Prizemoney…… Diff
09/02/2011… Paul J Dixon… Je Suis Unrockstar… 3543… 2954…10/02/2011… Paul J Dixon… La Capriosa… 3543… 2758…
12/02/2011… Paul J Dixon & Brian Morton… Incomparable… 4522… 3446…
17/02/2011… Paul J Dixon… Sacrosanctus… 6377… 5268…
17/02/2011… Paul J Dixon & Brian Morton… Thunderball… 3543… 2757…
23/02/2011… Paul J Dixon & Brian Morton… Thunderball… 2562… 2215…
23/02/2011… Paul J Dixon… Je Suis Unrockstar… 3543… 3052…
Racing is in good hands.
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