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  • #2536
    Maxilon 5Maxilon 5
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    If I was in any position to do so, I would swap the Midlands Grand National for this anomaly of a race.

    Let the chinless ones gather on the Saturday for their day out.:biggrin:

    The race disrupts the flow. It isn’t connected to anything which happens before or after.  Form is impossible to assess accurately. And yet, because it’s part of the festival, most people feel compelled to have a bet. Therefore, it’s a bookies benefit.

    I’d rather have a 4 furlong sprint up the new course for still-fit steeplechasers – who the general racing public might know –  but who can no longer jump fences through injury.

    At least that tests a turn of foot.:biggrin:   (I’m only half joking!)

    Anyone else dislike the race?

    #70255
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    I don’t dislike the race as such but would make a couple of points that a) I don’t think it really fits in as being the race after the Gold Cup – such an anti climax and if there is going to be a Foxhunters I’d like it to be for horses trained by proper point to point trainers – not the professionals – that said I’m all for the old NH horses having a life after racing as we know it.

    #70256
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    I love the race and its one of the highlights of the meeting for me – although I can see that the form can be inscrutible for anybody not familiar with pointing in England and Ireland.

    It does give you a chance to see old favourites (Earthstopper etc) and some new up and comers.

    I can see your issue regarding horses trained by licensed trainers and I for one cheer on the "proper" pointers.

    The reason it follows the Gold Cup is for PR reasons like the ladies race following the King George at Ascot.

    It enables the professionals, particularly the winning jockey, concerned in the finish of the Gold Cup to receive their prizes and then do press conferences/media interviews without having to rush off to weigh out for the next.

    #70257
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    Definitely agree with Adrian, it allows us all to calm down after the main event, sort of give’s us an hour to take in what had just happened.

    I really liked the Novices Hunter Chase that was until recently the race after the National, found two of my favourite horses that way – Lord Atterbury and Arctic Times and another gorgeous looking horse of Tony Martin’s in Mr Softee.

    #70258
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    I never bet on it..same as nearly all amateur races. I think they are an indulgence in what should be a professional business, in all senses of the word

    But Adrians point a good one…didnt really consider that

    #70259
    davidbrady
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    Quote: from Adrian on 7:55 pm on Mar. 19, 2006[br]It does give you a chance to see old favourites (Earthstopper etc) and some new up and comers.

    I think the horse’s name is Earthmover

    #70260
    Adrian
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    Thanks David – as soon as I read my own posting I realised my error!

    #70262
    roryrory
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    …..bit of a Freudian slip, I’d say ~ Earthstopper was a lovely horse too, some years ago.

    #70263
    BurroughhillBurroughhill
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    Seeing Earthmover win a couple of years back was the highlight of the festival for me, but as a rule, the race is a bit of an anti-climax after the Gold Cup, but then what race wouldn’t be?

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    Quote: from Maxilon 5 on 4:06 pm on Mar. 19, 2006[br]If I was in any position to do so, I would swap the Midlands Grand National for this anomaly of a race.

    Let the chinless ones gather on the Saturday for their day out.:biggrin:

    The race disrupts the flow. It isn’t connected to anything which happens before or after.  Form is impossible to assess accurately. And yet, because it’s part of the festival, most people feel compelled to have a bet. Therefore, it’s a bookies benefit.

    I’d rather have a 4 furlong sprint up the new course for still-fit steeplechasers – who the general racing public might know –  but who can no longer jump fences through injury.

    At least that tests a turn of foot.:biggrin:   (I’m only half joking!)

    Anyone else dislike the race?<br>

    It isnt my FAV race of the festival but i like it. I enjoy the challenge of looking over pointing form from this country and Ireland. The form isnt hard to assess at all……. you obviously just dont look for it. I have had plenty of success in the race and im not a point to point fan, i rarely go.

    I didnt have a bet this year as i thought the ground had gone against most with chances. The one i did fancy was Bother Na.

    I think it gives the pro jocks some time off during the busy festival, who also like the watch the race.

    Without it, i think the races would get a bit too repetitive. Its different and long may it continue

    #70268
    wilsonlwilsonl
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    Historically I love this race and a decade or so ago it was my favourite race of the meeting – and one which I found particuary easy to pick the winner.

    However that was in the days when horses like Double Silk, Rushing Wild, Earthmover… were winning.<br>Horses that had you thinking they could go on to be possibles for the Grand National / Gold Cup itself.

    With the possibe exception of Kingscliffe, who has flattered to deceive and IMO was running out of steam when he won, there hasn’t been horses of the same calibre or potential winning in a fair while now.

    Lee

    #70269
    graysonscolumngraysonscolumn
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    Quote: from Adrian on 7:55 pm on Mar. 19, 2006[br]I love the race and its one of the highlights of the meeting for me – although I can see that the form can be inscrutible for anybody not familiar with pointing in England and Ireland.

    It does give you a chance to see old favourites (Earthstopper etc) and some new up and comers.<br>

    <br>Earthmover, perhaps?

    I do enjoy these more Corinthian events at the Festival (four-miler, hunters), as they serve to remind me of the bedrock on which the sport was founded in the first place.

    I was really enjoying this year’s renewal of the race when Bothar Na honed into view two out.  ;)

    gc<br>

    The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

    #70270
    graysonscolumngraysonscolumn
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    Quote: from wilsonl on 4:45 pm on Mar. 20, 2006[br]Historically I love this race and a decade or so ago it was my favourite race of the meeting – and one which I found particuary easy to pick the winner.

    However that was in the days when horses like Double Silk, Rushing Wild, Earthmover… were winning.<br>Horses that had you thinking they could go on to be possibles for the Grand National / Gold Cup itself.

    With the possibe exception of Kingscliffe, who has flattered to deceive and IMO was running out of steam when he won, there hasn’t been horses of the same calibre or potential winning in a fair while now.

    Lee<br>

    <br>There are potentially one or two in the pointing field who could land a blow at a respectable level were they ever tried, but to date have not. Canon Bridge has destroyed all before him in 14 straight points now, and I agree with a comment in the Point-to-point and Hunter Chase Results update the other week that not having tried him under Rules yet is a travesty.

    gc<br>

    The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

    #70271
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    How come two of my favourites finished first and second and I didn’t back either?

    The only way it could have got better would have been a 1. Arctic Times, 2. Whyso Mayo, 3. First Down Jets tricast :)

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