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I’m not a fan, but he’s obviously helped the profile of the sport so good luck to him.
BTW, has he been tested for coke recently? He certainly acts like he’s on something, especially after he won the Derby. Leaping about like a right fecking idiot
very annoying to watch.No problem with Frankie at all, he rode a brilliant race on Golden Horn, and has been at the top of his game since rejoining Gosden.
He continues to be a great ambassador for the sport, at least he enjoys it and can communicate that enjoyment to the wider public.
Compare and contrast with the monosyllabic mumblings of Piggott, Eddery and Moore.
His enthusiasm is good for the sport!!
Is that the same enthusiasm that caused him to take Monday off despite having two scheduled rides? It’s clear from this thread that some of you (understandably) have only watched him celebrating on TV and haven’t seen him blanking people who have said hello to him at the racecourse. I realise that he can’t be Mr Entertainer all the time, and that people constantly expecting him to turn on the fun might be a bit tiresome, but his TV persona doesn’t appear to be anything like the off-screen one. The media know this but realise he is good box office so play up to it. Me, I like to see people with good manners.
I don’t know about his off camera personality but to say his image completely changes when the cameras are off of him may be a bit exaggerated.
No exaggeration – it changes completely.
His enthusiasm is good for the sport!!
Is that the same enthusiasm that caused him to take Monday off despite having two scheduled rides? It’s clear from this thread that some of you (understandably) have only watched him celebrating on TV and haven’t seen him blanking people who have said hello to him at the racecourse. I realise that he can’t be Mr Entertainer all the time, and that people constantly expecting him to turn on the fun might be a bit tiresome, but his TV persona doesn’t appear to be anything like the off-screen one. The media know this but realise he is good box office so play up to it. Me, I like to see people with good manners.
I don’t know about his off camera personality but to say his image completely changes when the cameras are off of him may be a bit exaggerated.
No exaggeration – it changes completely.
I have probably seen Frankie Dettori in the flesh over 100 times and have never witnessed any of this behaviour. He has always been completely normal. Speak as you find I suppose, I must have got him on the good days. Of course he turns it on when he has a big winner but what’s wrong with that? It’s the Italian in him probably. A lot of people being very British on here methinks.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
I know him and he is a miserable,arrogant git when he is not in front of the cameras,it is all me,me,me. Okay he can still ride well when he rides to the trainers orders,but when he rode for Godolphin he never ever rode for a place, if he thought he couldn
t win, he just used to let them drop out as the Sheikhs dont need the money and hang the punters.
People who work in racing are sick of him and his attitude,but the media and you mug punters love him,give me Ryan Moore any day,he praises the good horses that he rides and not himself.I know him and he is a miserable,arrogant git when he is not in front of the cameras,it is all me,me,me. Okay he can still ride well when he rides to the trainers orders,but when he rode for Godolphin he never ever rode for a place, if he thought he couldn
t win, he just used to let them drop out as the Sheikhs dont need the money and hang the punters.
People who work in racing are sick of him and his attitude,but the media and you mug punters love him,give me Ryan Moore any day,he praises the good horses that he rides and not himself.You hardly sound a bundle of joy yourself Ed.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Fair one that Ed i’m afraid!
What’s wrong with being British Jonibake? An odd comment?
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TTC – I mean no excessive outpouring of emotion type Britishness. I doubt you’d get a thread like this in some other parts of the world.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Nope not me, I loved Paul Mullrenen’s emotion on winning the Nunny for example and was chuffed to bits for him.
Dettori is just too ‘media savvy’ for my taste, that probably about sums it up.
I wonder if he was rampaging around like an annoying toddler screeching WE WON THE DERBY to Oppenheimer when the camera’s weren’t trained on him.
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I have probably seen Frankie Dettori in the flesh over 100 times and have never witnessed any of this behaviour. He has always been completely normal. Speak as you find I suppose, I must have got him on the good days. Of course he turns it on when he has a big winner but what’s wrong with that? It’s the Italian in him probably. A lot of people being very British on here methinks.
Ditto Joni.
If everyone was like Frankie it would be horrible.
If everyone was like Ryan it would be horrible.I don’t believe we can know a jockey by what we see at the races.
I’ve been racing countless times, seen him and others, been on stable visits, to quiz nights involving racing insiders, met plenty of trainers and jockeys etc. Some of which appear (shall we say) less than perfect in their manners. But would not judge their characters so negatitively even by spending time with them on one or even two visits/events, let alone by their reaction to a/some “hello”/s. In my opinion only those who meet them (and I mean meet them) on a regular basis can make a judgement like that.
“Vive la difference” is what I say, well it would be if I was French.
Am not so naive to believe the real character of Dettori (or Moore, or McCoy) is all of what it seems on TV. Everyone plays up to their image to a certain degree, but am willing to believe we get a general picture.
However, can understand the OP’s point about media coverage of Dettori generally (if not the Arc), to my mind C4 make far too much of the human element and not enough of the horses.
Value Is EverythingIn “real” life McCoy is quietly spoken but friendly and with a good sense of humour, Moore just wants to be left alone but he’s fine if nobody tries to make him do something he doesn’t want to do. Then he can be grumpy
Dettori is just plain rude, it’s amazing that so many people have fallen for the TV showman routine. You have to see it day after day to realise it
Very little on TV is quite what it appears to be, so we can all believe what we want to believe
But edfiggyrock got it spot on earlier in the threadI don’t know him, never met him, never will meet him probably. Has he made me money this season?
Yes.
This may seem shallow and not appreciating all the other things racing has to offer
but that’s where I’m at with Frankie.I have heard other things from respected others IMO about other jocks that would quite Frankly (pardon the pun) not impress
I don’t know him, never met him, never will meet him probably. Has he made me money this season?
Yes.
This may seem shallow and not appreciating all the other things racing has to offer
but that’s where I’m at with Frankie.Not shallow at all, just an honest view. I hope you get a thrill from what racing does have to offer though. I will always back the horse, not the jockey. If Frankie wasn’t on board Sunday, I know someone good enough would have been and I would still have backed him.
It doesn’t take away how good a ride it was though as it was executed perfectly. I really don’t care if he is a pompous little git off camera, he is there to ride a horse to its ability, not to be my friend and that horse he rode on Sunday sure had that.
The first thing I do when I pick a loser is look through the form again and figure out where I went wrong. Jockey error does happen though, they are human after all.My favourite flat jockey has to be Paul Hanagan, you can have all the Frankies in the world but Paul Hanagan is the jockey I would want on board my horse if I was lucky enough to own one.
I have seen Frankie several times at Newmarket outside the parade ring, once posing with his Ferrari with fans in the car park and signing autographs, another time coming out of the jockeys room and walking across to the paddock were a statuesque girl ran up and planted a lipsticky kiss on his chops and another time when a guy just stopped him as he was leaving the track to simply shake his hand, all of which he handled very well albeit a little taken aback by the over zealous girl who tottered of back to the bar to check that her selfie with Frankie had come out and completely oblivious of all the beautiful horses parading in the paddock.
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...My favourite flat jockey has to be Paul Hanagan, you can have all the Frankies in the world but Paul Hanagan is the jockey I would want on board my horse if I was lucky enough to own one.
That’s the man on my profile pic on board Mukhadram. I am a big fan and I’m a fan of the Dubai racing carnival so I get to see him quite often. I’ll only ever back him if I think the horse is good enough though.
To be fair to Hanagan, he has improved a long way this season. Sheikh Hamdan strikes me as a very loyal and supportive man to ride for, which must make his retained jockey feel secure and confident.
Hanagan up until this season was a parody of one-dimensional tactics, often riding horses who didn’t suit front-running tactics aggressively just because it was the only style he was comfortable with. His sense of timing on hold-up horses has developed out of nowhere this season. Suddenly he’s the man dropping horses out and arriving to win in the final strides when it suits. It may take a while for the punting public to latch onto the new Hanagan, but it’ll happen sooner or later if he keeps riding like this.
I’m disappointed at the comments about his off screen persona. I had the pleasure of speaking to Frankie a few years ago when working in a call centre(I thought it was a fraudster at first). He couldn’t have been nicer, chatting about racing and football for a good 5 mins.
He can be a bit over the top at times but the good publicity he brings racing makes it all worthwhile.
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