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Is this getting up anyone else’s nose this season (no pun intended)?
Had so much faith in Golden Horn he didn’t want to ride him in the Dante, he is now “the best he has ever rode”. Smacks of a deliberate slap in Godolphins Dubai-Millennium-chops to me, unless he’s caught AOB-itis.
Now the RP have given him a rare “Fine Ride” accolade in the Arc’s official analysis. A competent ride alright, but would a lesser profile jockey have been given that comment? I doubt it.
Add in his “WE WON THE DERBY” camera-attracting histrionics after the Derby and I’m getting pure sick of the fella to be honest.
Alternatively – I am a miserable old git.
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Arc was an exceptional ride. In the International was lit up early by being bustled by other horses. Learnt from that and ran wide of the others at Longchamp until chosing his spot to come in. It is a matter of Jarnet’s poor ride as well as Dettori’s good one, but it was jockeyship that proved the decisive element. ie Golden Horn’s best form (Arc included) is not as good as Treve’s and Jarnet gave the mare a lot to do given the fractions. Dettori knows when he’s ridden well and don’t forget he was jocked off Treve. So why shouldn’t he celebrate big style?
Likewise, Frankie probably thought his days were over before Gosden took him back. No doubt had been down in the dumps when many months went by without a Dettori dismount and struggling for rides let alone wins. So when tasting Derby success why not enjoy it to the max?
Value Is EverythingFrankie also said he has vastly improved with each run. He might not have thought GH was potentially top class before the Dante but the horse has proven to be a true great.
That last furlong and a half blew me away, he just kept giving and giving without another getting close enough to eyeball him.
When the draw came about it must have been a tactic both Dettori and John Gosden talked about at length. They would just have to keep their fingers crossed the pace wasn’t furious to begin with so he could get back over without burning too much fuel. The tactics were there, Frankie and Golden Horn had to do the rest. The ground was a huge factor of course but you can’t change the weather, it is what it is.I want to heap praise on Gosden as well, he is a marvellous trainer and horseman who has received plenty of stick this season from all corners who have an ‘opinion’ on what is the right thing to do. He is the one who is at the top of the game, the one who has to make big decisions and he has finally got an Arc to his name.
Opinions are fine of course, I’m just elated about what I saw on Sunday. I live to see races like that.
I can see the opening poster is coming from. Whenever he has a big win, the media seem at pains to turn it into the Frankie Dettori show, spending more time talking about the jockey than the horse. It was an excellent ride, but Golden Horn was the star.
Exactly THM. To the casual fan it’s just Dettori has worked the Oracle again, Claude Duval must be the worst, his shoelaces must be hanging out of Dettori’s Y fronts.
If he did say GH has improved with every run he’s surely having a laugh. Getting chinned by Arabian Queen is better than slamming Jack Hobbs in the Derby?
I doubt many would put GH ahead of Dubai Millennium, a bitter look-at-me comment I feel.
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In total agreement with yourself and THM…….there’s little doubt that it had it not been Dettori, then there’s absolutely no way the “fine ride” would have been applied. It’s just ridiculous.
It happens a lot with a couple of other jockeys as well, I won’t go into names as that would divert your thread into a separate argument haha. I used to get proper p1ssed off with the over the top superlatives given to a certain European footballer. One of his goals always makes the top 10 World Cup Goals ever, yet had it been scored by a player from someone like Chile, or even one of his teammates, it wouldn’t even scrape the top 100. It’s pretty much the same as that.
Indeed, but I expect the RP to rise above such Duval-style celebrity boot licking. I would be interested to know other rides given this rare accolade but my powers of research are not up to it.
Been thinking about your footballer, can only think you refer to the former owner of the late Brown Panther?
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Wow – The Tatling comes in with a Post of the Year contender straight away.
The Dettori love-in is rather grating. Dettori’s final years at Godolphin highlighted the weaknesses in his character. When the operation hit a trough and was lacking in star horses, Dettori’s riding standards declined, his love of the sport shrivelled and his professionalism went out of the window. For such a brattish individual to be hailed as a hero must really grind on the journeyman jockeys who toil away for thirty years without grumbling.
Dettori’s Arc ride was fantastic without doubt and he has been riding superbly all season. It’s just a shame he couldn’t maintain these high standards when the chips were down.
Thanks for the response, interesting.
And you know The Tatling and Milton – never scared to take on the Big Boys!
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It was an excellent ride, so credit where credit is due. However the thing that bugs me most about Dettori is that his loveable TV image drops the moment the cameras are off him. Anyone who has observed him on course will know that, far from being the fun-loving character that he appears to be in the media, he is in fact rather surly and often ignores people even when they say hello to him. The TV loons are mainly responsible for creating this cartoon person and continue to play along with it – which may be good for racing in a wider context but isn’t nearly as real as his adoring public at home think it is.
I’d say the ride was a Gosden creation and Dettori execution affair. Gosden is clearly a deep thinker and plotter when it comes to tactics, undoubtedly recognising their pivotal role. No ‘I’ll let the jockey ride his own race’ trainer he, and probably all the better for it. Jockey’s job is to follow orders firstly but, secondly, employ his brain when plan A and B go west due to events. I’d be confident no Gosden jockey sets foot in a stirrup without a very clear plan ringing in his ears.
Dettori, to give him credit, and he deserves plenty, is a very cool customer in the saddle.
Like his style or not, you can’t blame the media for zoning in on him. He’s pure box office while most of his contemporaries lack any sort of charisma.
I thought the lad that popped up during the interview with the young French jockey was good entertainment.Don’t you think that charisma should be real rather than just manufactured for the cameras? The likes of AP and co never made a song and dance about their achievements, and may in contrast appear to be a bit dull, but they are/were never half as dismissive of other people as Dettori appears to be when his grinning face isn’t on the TV.
I’d say the ride was a Gosden creation and Dettori execution affair.
I am certain that is the case but they would have both put their input toward the running of the race. Regarding Dettori and his persona off camera, he has been quoted many a time saying he reached a fair few dark places when things weren’t going so well.
I don’t know about his off camera personality but to say his image completely changes when the cameras are off of him may be a bit exaggerated. It doesn’t mean he is fake, he just knows how to have a good time when in the spotlight.
I hear plenty enough moaning when Ryan Moore shows little personality in front of the cameras but I honestly couldn’t care less, he is a huge role model for the sport.I think that jockey you are talking about Cormack was Stephane Pasquier.
Ryan Moore’s comment at Royal Ascot a couple of years ago – “this is a load of bollocks” – after Clare Balding tried to get him waxing lyrical about the leading jockeys armband, remains my favourite jockeys quote since Piggott.
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I want to heap praise on Gosden as well, he is a marvellous trainer and horseman who has received plenty of stick this season from all corners who have an ‘opinion’ on what is the right thing to do. He is the one who is at the top of the game, the one who has to make big decisions and he has finally got an Arc to his name.
I was one of those who criticized Mr Gosden when he withdrew Golden Horn out of the King George due to the going. Looking back at how things have now panned out with Golden Horn with his mini mid-season rest and an Arc attached to his status, Mr Gosden was spot on and I was horribly inapt.
How come when Mr Grumpy Ryan Moore rides loads of winners and is praised from every rooftop no one complains but when Frankie gives a horse a peach of a ride (after due discussion with his trainer) he ends up on a thread like this ?
His enthusiasm is good for the sport!!
I would sooner see him celebrating a big winner than the grumpy one!!
He is infectious and the people that are not die hard racing fans love seeing his celebrations.Well I guess we all have our different ways of enjoying success or watching others enjoy theirs. Some jockeys like to modestly doff their caps as they enter the winners circle and then describe their finest hour as it were the most boring, mundane office job. Others like to throw their arms up in the air, leap off their horse, kiss the camera and hug their owners. I know which one my kids prefer! And I know the only racing person most of my non-racing friends recognise.
Agree with what was said above; he must have thought his best days were behind him so let him enjoy his moment. Who is it really harming?
As for the ride – as Corm says, it was pure Gosden. Watch Frankie on Star of Seville in the Prix Diane. Carbon copy.
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