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All the enclosures sold out so the old race must still have something. Great atmosphere at the track.
Sorry to go off topic, but great pictures on C4 from Edinburgh Cup day at Musselburgh. I went last year and it was a great atmosphere with a good turnout.
Just read on Racing Post that there was 130,000 attendees at the Derby today. Great news, and no animla rights brigade undermining it, as all horses came out alive and sound. Great spectacle.
All the enclosures sold out so the old race must still have something. Great atmosphere at the track.
Did you wear your top hat and tails like Mr Luck or were you in Mr McCririck attire with your union jack waving?
I wouldnt think that to be the greatest (flat) race in the world the race must be open to older horses aswell as the classic generation. The Arc is probably the greatest race in Europe, and in the world imo.
I wouldnt think that to be the greatest (flat) race in the world the race must be open to older horses aswell as the classic generation. The Arc is probably the greatest race in Europe, and in the world imo.
The majority of American turf horses are in fact geldings, so they’d be left out. Imagine Kelso, Fort Marcy, John Henry, With Anticipation, Better Talk Now, Presious Passion (
) in the Arc d’Triomphe. I can almost understand a classic race only open to intact horses, but the greatest race in the world ought to be open to all.I wouldnt think that to be the greatest (flat) race in the world the race must be open to older horses aswell as the classic generation. The Arc is probably the greatest race in Europe, and in the world imo.
The majority of American turf horses are in fact geldings, so they’d be left out. Imagine Kelso, Fort Marcy, John Henry, With Anticipation, Better Talk Now, Presious Passion (
) in the Arc d’Triomphe. I can almost understand a classic race only open to intact horses, but the greatest race in the world ought to be open to all.I’m curious. What is the greatest flat race in the world? Could it be that there actually isn’t one?
I think you’re quite right Bachelors Hall, in that it is all a matter of opinion. For me the Arc.
I wonder which European all age Group 1 has the best average winning RPR for the last 10 years? Any statto’s know the answer to that one?
I’m guessing at – The Irish Champion Stakes.
for me the worlds best flat race is the arc although i still look forward to the derby every year
I wouldnt think that to be the greatest (flat) race in the world the race must be open to older horses aswell as the classic generation. The Arc is probably the greatest race in Europe, and in the world imo.
The majority of American turf horses are in fact geldings, so they’d be left out. Imagine Kelso, Fort Marcy, John Henry, With Anticipation, Better Talk Now, Presious Passion (
) in the Arc d’Triomphe. I can almost understand a classic race only open to intact horses, but the greatest race in the world ought to be open to all.I’m curious. What is the greatest flat race in the world? Could it be that there actually isn’t one?
I would say the Breeders Cup Classic for dirt, Breeders Cup Turf for turf. Don’t laugh, the lists of past winners (and even those who came in 2nd or 3rd) are quite impressive.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.php? … view&id=43
http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.php? … iew&id=279I think essentially, the greatest race in the world is the one contested by the best horses during that given year. Consequently, the title invariably changes every year. Although as THM alludes towards, this too is quite often a matter of subjective debate.
The idea of averaged RPRs does interest me and as I’m kind of procrastinating at the moment, I guess I can traipse through the records. I too think it’s probably the Arc although the performances of Frankel and Hawk Wing may skew the Lockinge figures…
Bachelors – if you PM me a list of races i’ll split the load with yiou if you like, i’m interested too. You might be right about the Lockinge, i bet Rakti got a good rating too.
Just using the winner’s rating seems a bit too limited. The pattern rating (first 4 home) might be better.
Well the RPR findings from all the open G1s in Europe, along with several international events, can be found in this thread.
https://theracingforum.co.uk/horse-r … =3&t=90592
Whilst I agree that the winners based RPR system is limited and rather volatile, I don’t think that the standings would alter too much when placed beside the pattern rating. Although it would still be interesting to find out for sure.
I would say the Breeders Cup Classic for dirt, Breeders Cup Turf for turf. Don’t laugh, the lists of past winners (and even those who came in 2nd or 3rd) are quite impressive.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.php? … view&id=43
http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.php? … iew&id=279From what I compiled here, whilst there’s a case for arguing that the best all weather race is held in the US, the BC Turf is clearly and consistently several pounds inferior to the UK’s King George.
https://theracingforum.co.uk/horse-r … =3&t=90592
) in the Arc d’Triomphe. I can almost understand a classic race only open to intact horses, but the greatest race in the world ought to be open to all.
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