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While the good members of the racing forum were enmeshed in the study of the form book and stuck into all of the excitement of the national, Liam’s teeth, etc. There has been another phenomena from the tinternet that has finally spilled over into real life politics, in a manner that only the internet could bring about.
Pro-Liar [b:12phg16k]Damian McBride[/url:12phg16k][/b:12phg16k] has become the first proper victim of the anti-establishment blogger [b:12phg16k]Guido[/url:12phg16k][/b:12phg16k].
Liar McBride apparently made up these stories for offal for the Derek Draper’s Blog [b:12phg16k] labourlist.org[/url:12phg16k][/b:12phg16k]. This blog was set up to engage young people and take control of the anti-internet community by way of engagement. This labourlist is so far up it’s own behind, it’s almost beyond me. What the blog basically does is gives an on-line platform to the rich and famous (Prescott, Campbell, and co) and then invites feedback. The feedback is then vetted and only the agreeable comment is posted back. Sort of in their own database driven, irrelevant NuLabour way, pissing off everyone and serving no good purpose to anyone.
I’ve highlighted some of the links in here for anyone who is interested in reading more. Imo, I reckon Labourlist is over, they will never grasp what the online thing is all about and they can’t win.
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yes Dave, it’s been great watching this unfold over the last few days. As one who regularly has a gander at Guido Fawkes blog site, it’s been great to see him nail McBride.
Think Brown should have come out with an abject apology early on, now it looks like festering into something worse and his reluctance to apologise makes him look like a sewer rat that just wants to save his own skin.
The Daily Telegraph also come out badly, their Saturday leader clearly being placed by a journalist in thrall to McBride, trying to make the story seem more one of Downing Street e-mails being hijacked rather than one of Brown’s top aide playing sickeningly dirty. I just hope Pravda (aka BBC) find some balls and start asking searching questions of the zanuLabour apologists being wheeled out to play things down.While the good members of the racing forum were enmeshed in the study of the form book and stuck into all of the excitement of the national, Liam’s teeth, etc. There has been another phenomena from the tinternet that has finally spilled over into real life politics, in a manner that only the internet could bring about.
Pro-Liar
Damian McBride
has become the first proper victim of the anti-establishment blogger
Guido
.
Liar McBride apparently made up these stories for offal for the Derek Draper’s Blog
labourlist.org
. This blog was set up to engage young people and take control of the anti-internet community by way of engagement. This labourlist is so far up it’s own behind, it’s almost beyond me. What the blog basically does is gives an on-line platform to the rich and famous (Prescott, Campbell, and co) and then invites feedback. The feedback is then vetted and only the agreeable comment is posted back. Sort of in their own database driven, irrelevant NuLabour way, pissing off everyone and serving no good purpose to anyone.
I’ve highlighted some of the links in here for anyone who is interested in reading more. Imo, I reckon Labourlist is over, they will never grasp what the online thing is all about and they can’t win.
Meh.
:D 8)All emails from wherever they come from are intended solely for the person they are being sent to IMO nobody that ever sent an email would be comfortable or indeed empolyed if everything they ever emailed was leaked to the press so if its not good enough for me or you it shouldn’t be acceptable for anyone’s emails to be exposed.
The real ‘villain’ here is the worm who leaked them and the consistently lower than low life media who give us their usual contemptible ‘……..isn’t it terrible’ hand wringing whilst privately delighting at how much crap they can stir and for how long.
I would have no objection to the row about a few stupid emails being twittered about in the generally saddo and boring world of blogs and forums (this one mostly an exception but not always)but am I alone in feeling mad with frustration at the media trying to whip this into a big political issue when it is totally irrelevant to 99.9% of the population in my opinion and we are still waiting weeks later for real issues like MPs exploiting self serving expenses rules and fat cat failures retiring on huge public money pensions to be sorted out etc etc.…but am I alone in feeling mad with frustration at the media trying to whip this into a big political issue when it is totally irrelevant to 99.9% of the population in my opinion and we are still waiting weeks later for real issues like MPs exploiting self serving expenses rules and fat cat failures retiring on huge public money pensions to be sorted out etc etc.
The expenses / fat cat pensions and "smearsgate" are all sh!t floating down the same sewer as far as I’m concerned. They all highlight the hypocrisy and corruption at the heart of a government. (Remember Blair’s "whiter than white" diatribe on being elected?).
Is is too much to expect our politicians (regardless of which party they represent) to show some integrity rather than venality?
It "Smearsgate" may be of no interest to 99,9%, that doesn’t mean it should therefore be ignored. In fact, that it’s of so little interest to Brits is indicative of how the nation is sleepwalking into an Orwellian/1984 statist situation. We need the .01% to kick up a fuss. So hearty congratu;ations to Guido Fawkes whatever his sources or intentions.It’s not good enough to say, because an issue isn’t in the mainstream of public interest it should therefore be ignored. That’s what our venal, disingenious, elitist politicains want. That way they’d never have to become accountable for their actions.All emails from wherever they come from are intended solely for the person they are being sent to IMO nobody that ever sent an email would be comfortable or indeed empolyed if everything they ever emailed was leaked to the press so if its not good enough for me or you it shouldn’t be acceptable for anyone’s emails to be exposed.
The real ‘villain’ here is the worm who leaked them and the consistently lower than low life media who give us their usual contemptible ‘……..isn’t it terrible’ hand wringing whilst privately delighting at how much crap they can stir and for how long.
I have to disagree with you Bob. The offending mail, as I understand it, was sent by a Government official whilst at work using official computer.
If so the equipment should not be used for the purpose for which it was, it was at least a breash of trust and would probably probably come under the remit of Gross Misconduct.Therefore whoever disclosed the mail was simply being a whistleblower and actually doing a public service – I fully applaud them for what they did.
As for your attack on the "low life media" are you saying they should not be exposing the contemptible e-mails? Would you prefer a Soviet style media which is simply a mouthpiece for the Government?
All emails from wherever they come from are intended solely for the person they are being sent to IMO nobody that ever sent an email would be comfortable or indeed empolyed if everything they ever emailed was leaked to the press so if its not good enough for me or you it shouldn’t be acceptable for anyone’s emails to be exposed.
The real ‘villain’ here is the worm who leaked them and the consistently lower than low life media who give us their usual contemptible ‘……..isn’t it terrible’ hand wringing whilst privately delighting at how much crap they can stir and for how long.
I have to disagree with you Bob. The offending mail, as I understand it, was sent by a Government official whilst at work using official computer.
If so the equipment should not be used for the purpose for which it was, it was at least a breash of trust and would probably probably come under the remit of Gross Misconduct.Therefore whoever disclosed the mail was simply being a whistleblower and actually doing a public service – I fully applaud them for what they did.
As for your attack on the "low life media" are you saying they should not be exposing the contemptible e-mails? Would you prefer a Soviet style media which is simply a mouthpiece for the Government?
I don’t normally go in for running forum dialogues but as the first two replies have got me so wrong I’m back to explain that there is no greater critic of this or any other government that presides over the kind of down right dishonesty, corruption and incompetence that regularly crops up in the news currently and there is nobody more frustrated by the stagnant politcial climate in this country that is reduced to a (non) personality contest between Brown and Cameron with no real discussion of issues or policies.
Private emails containing peurile juvenile slurs are totally unimportant and a distraction from what the real issues are which we are still waiting for change on IMO.
IMO the media can have an improtant role in reporting the issues but more importantly keeping them on the agenda until the powers that be account for or change what is going on instead of what they currently do which is whip up whatever they can seemingly to sell copy without any responsibility or consistency or genuine desire to inform or drive the desire to change……..they tell us how terrible things are and then move on to the next story instead of making the corruption of governments and organisations a real campaigning issue that the man in the street can get accessible and balanced information on so that when an election comes we can make an informed decision and get rid of the lot of them hopefully.
There will always be more than one point of view but lets have them all out there and regenerate some genuine informed political debate and awareness in the country and get things sorted instead of drifting from one bent,incompetent self serving government to another.This is the first real person that has been sacked in politics, I think, as a direct result of what is going on in the blogosphere. To me the whole thing is made even funnier because it’s dragged the site set that was set up by NuLabour to kick off it’s on-line campaign, after they seen Obama do it, ..
.. you couldn’t make it up really.Bob .. where do you think all of the information on MPs expenses, fiddling and general law bending and weasling about comes from? It’s bloggers like Guido that show them up for what they are, not the BBC. If it wasn’t for them we wouldn’t know a thing about it.
Hazel Blears has already said she wants to control the on-line communities, because they don’t add anything of value. Dream on Hazel ..
There will always be more than one point of view but lets have them all out there and regenerate some genuine informed political debate and awareness in the country and get things sorted instead of drifting from one bent,incompetent self serving government to another.
.. and how are you ever going to have any sort of proper debate when they are completely devoted to claiming as much as they possibly can, employing all of their relatives and then crying like babies when anyone tells them they are just a load of greedy barstewards.
If you were self employed and did what they did, you would go to prison.
….. get things sorted instead of drifting from one bent,incompetent self serving government to another.
Amen to that – unfortunately, (and I realise it is dangerous to generalise – I am sure there are a few honourable politicians out there.) most who enter politics do so to feather their own nests or fuel their own egos and have no interest at all in those they purport to serve.
Ergo you will always get self serving Government.
….. get things sorted instead of drifting from one bent,incompetent self serving government to another.
Amen to that – unfortunately, (and I realise it is dangerous to generalise – I am sure there are a few honourable politicians out there.) most who enter politics do so to feather their own nests or fuel their own egos and have no interest at all in those they purport to serve.
Ergo you will always get self serving Government.
Not suggesting that the answers are another set of no conviction professional politicians whose only contribution is towards their and their cronies well being or that the solution for campaigning journalism and driving change is the BBC as it currently stands anymore than it is blogging for minority consumption but the answer is IMO that when obvious nonsenses for example like wasting of public money,bare faced dishonesty or incompetence are exposed they remain exposed and on the agenda until they are dealt with either by changing the law,rules,personnel etc………no cover ups,no excuses,no stalling…….an open,accountable and efficient government out there for public approval and critique via the media.
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