October 7, 2006 at 21:41 #3119
Why is it so effing difficult to show the big ones live? I was kinda looking forward to seeing Dylan Thomas taking on Bernardini in NY. But it now looks like we will see them tomorrow night.<br>Well Racing World, I don’t want to effing see them tomorrow night. I want to see them live. Tomorrow the races are old news.<br>Why do we have to put up with this kind of second class coverage of international racing? Especially when we are paying good bloody money to watch the coverage live. I’m getting sick and tired of this kind of contractual BS with regard to US racing. It isn’t the first time it’s happenned when we have runners over there either.<br>Sick, sick, sick of it!October 7, 2006 at 21:56 #79030yeatsParticipant
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Couldn’t agree more, I bet all our races are shown live there that they want to watch, a bit of tit for tat is required, tell them they have to wait 24 hours to screen The National or Derby.October 7, 2006 at 22:13 #79031SalMember
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It’s an added bonus that we get to see any American racing at all – it hasn’t been so long since the only chance of seeing even the very top US races was as an early hours highlights package on C4.
The lack of the Jockey Club Gold Cup is not the fault of ATR/RUK/Racing World. Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â The NYRA have always been a difficult organisation to deal with, and this has been excerbated with the crackdown on American internet gambling and the NYRA Pick 6 fraud case. Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â It isn’t something specific to annoy UK-based viewers – mostly I doubt they know we exist, and I’m not sure the NYRA would be bothered if we threatened them with delayed coverage of the Grand National.
One of the disadvantages of the disunited system of US racing is that all the different tracks call their own shots and so a universal deal on TV coverage is always going to be difficult to establish. Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Yet this is the system that the OFT (in their infinite lack of wisdom) recommended for British racing.October 7, 2006 at 22:48 #79032newyorkMember
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if you want to see them type in belmont park then open the web page for belmont park racing site ,you have got to register its free, then you can watch recordings of the races 5/10 min after they have gone off liveOctober 7, 2006 at 23:10 #79033AnonymousInactive
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Easy for Bernardini.October 7, 2006 at 23:18 #79034
Thanks for the tip newyork :)<br>My anger is exaserbated by the recent coverage of the US admin’s crackdown on internet gambling. I feel for you guys. I consider the way the US continues to interfere in people having a flutter as nothing less than puritanical. Not only are they interfering with progress, they are also interfering with people’s liberties. The way I look at it, if people want to gamble out of state, who the hell are the gov to tell people that they absolutely cannot? It reminds me a lot of the long outdated Sunday licencing laws over here in the UK. Luckily we got rid of those, so now we can have a beer whenever the hell we feel like it ;)<br>I know it is not the fault of Racing World Sal. It is, as you say, the archane system that the US tracks operate within. A system that saw Churchill Downs broadcasting blank screens to the UK a couple of years ago on Kentucky Derby day :angry: <br>My point was more that i’d rather Racing World to tell Belmont to stuff the coverage if they cannot see their way to providing it live. We have coverage usually. The only special thing today was that it was racing that we actually were interested in watching :(October 8, 2006 at 00:31 #79035Maxilon 5Member
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I visited Fair Meadows in Tulsa, Oklahoma on several occasions this year.
On the the last occasion in August, I noticed a Mule race over 350metres at Sunland Park being shown on a screen in the corner. Not wishing to miss the opportunity to bet on such a contest, I raced up to the tills to place a random top-bottom exacta.
I idly wondered whether a descendant of Josephine herself was running in the sprint, and as I did so, my bet was turned down.
Ah! Closed down. At LAST! But no. It turns out that you are not allowed to bet on anything other than Thoroughbred racing, (plus Quarterhorses, which count) in Tulsa.
Also, you can breed Greyhounds in Oklahoma, but you cannot race them. I spoke to the racing manager there who said that variations of these trade barriers exist all over the States.
Additionally, the exchange concept terrifies them. Their main faces already bet large amounts with discounting bookies in Costa Rica and Bermuda – only some of which get’s blown back to the tracks. This is not good news. Their funding model works, (prize money is testament to that), but it is delicate and insular, as you’ve found out tonight RD.
There is nothing more that US horsemen would like than to export their best races to an international audience. But only if they’re taking the lion’s share of any handle which results. ;)October 8, 2006 at 02:20 #79036jackane24Member
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So does this mean the Breeders’ Cup will be on a 24-hour delay as well???October 8, 2006 at 02:52 #79037
Quote: from jackane24 on 3:20 am on Oct. 8, 2006[br]So does this mean the Breeders’ Cup will be on a 24-hour delay as well???
Don’t say things like that jackane. Not even as a joke ;)<br>Not that I bet on the BC. The last bet I had was on Six Perfections, but I enjoy watching it more than betting on it. I hate watching races after I already know the result. It simply doesn’t give me the same buzz.October 8, 2006 at 03:06 #79038griff11Participant
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Pleased to see Aussie Rules win nicely in the Shadwell, although Frost Giant looked a little unlucky trapped on the rail in the Joe Hirsch. Whether he would have had a say in the finish would be a bit of guesswork.
Dylan Thomas didn’t appear to like the track and was never going, so at least they know where to head to in the BC.
Aragorn won comfortably at Santa Anita and English Channel also picked up first prize at Belmont.
<br>October 8, 2006 at 03:42 #79039jackane24Member
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Yeah i read about Frost Giant being trapped on the rail.
I would imagine Dylan Thomas now goes for the BC Turf, Aussie Rules the BC Mile and Frost Giant the BC Turf. However, being by Giant’s Causeway, might they be tempted to run Frost Giant in the Classic?
Not to mention George Washington for the BC Mile, Alexandrova possibly the BC F&M, and I wouldn’t be suprised to see a Ballydoyle 2yo run in the BC Juvenile.
Looks like Ballydoyle might have an excellent team lined up for a BC assault.October 8, 2006 at 08:13 #79040yeatsParticipant
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Quote: from Sal on 11:13 pm on Oct. 7, 2006[br]
I’m not sure the NYRA would be bothered if we threatened them with delayed coverage of the Grand National.
They may not Sal but I think some American viewers would be, likewise, I doubt Aintree management are too concerned about whether the Jockey Club Gold Cup is shown from Belmont 24 hrs after the event;)
(Edited by yeats at 9:17 am on Oct. 8, 2006)October 8, 2006 at 10:32 #79041pengamonMember
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With the exception of last years Breeders’ Cup and Belmont Stakes day for the last past 3 years-racing from the NYRA tracks hasn’t been shown here live since the early part of 2004.
I meant to ask Charlie Hayward NYRA’s CEO exactly why this was at a preview evening for this years Saratoga meet-but somehow asked some other question instead. Anyway NYRA’s licence to run US racing is up and we’re in the early stages of the retendering process. So write to the prospective bidders suggesting that they show their racing to the UK if they win the franchise that starts on January 1st 2008.
There are ways online-one has already been suggested-to watch the racin in the US that isn’t covered on the 2 channels-they include putting a deposit, for beting purposes, into winticketcom or signing up to racereplays.com. On winticket not oly can you watch live but you can watch replays of any horse you want to see.
I think there’s a big misconception on this thread about what life is like for American racing fans who perhaps rely on TV to see the sport. Distances are big are many Americans are over 500 miles from the nearest major track. The networks carry the sport but they don’t have the luxury of having Channel 4 racing-McCririck and all his foibles included-with a 2 hour ring fenced show. They have to check the schedule and if the game that precedes the racing goes into overtime-the build-up to the big race gets cut and ever now and again it ends up being shown on Tape Delay.
They do have the satellite channel TVG and it is showing more international racing each year but again large areas of the country can’t get the channel becuse it’s not part of the local cable providers package.
I’m used to the betting systems here. Bookmakers making a legal return to the US, exchanges etc would have the impact that on course attendances over there would be destroyed at al but the marquee meetings such as Saratoga, Del Mar and Keeneland. Around 17,000 were at Belmont yesterday paying $3 and $5-what would the price be if you had 5 Group 1s here on a card a Ascot? $30 and $50. About Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£18 and Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£28-probably more. If you charged that there youd probably get under 2000 people attending.October 9, 2006 at 00:39 #79042Pegwell BayMember
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You can get replays of all the big US races from the weekend at ntra.com. And you don’t have to sign up or make a deposit.
:)October 9, 2006 at 00:45 #79043
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