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The approved killing of NH horses continues at Southwell

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    Avatar photoEx RubyLight
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    Well done, BHA.
    Just through the 2nd race and already one dead and two ugly falls at the open ditch in the back straight.
    This is excellent for the sport run by ignorant morons.

    #1499721
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    It is not as though nobody saw this coming either.

    Absolutely pitiful and utterly indefensible.

    #1499726
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    Racing at Southwell should have been suspended while the investigation into the earlier deaths is ongoing. It’s too much of a speed track and appears to have no future as a NH venue.

    #1499728
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    Those awful trolly fences strike again. This is what Haydock would be like if they raced in the summer

    #1499743
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    #1499771
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    Too little too late, why did they have to wait until more horses died to decide to close the jumps track. What a shambles and why, knowing the facts, did owners allow their horses to run including an 11 year old gelding who should have been looking forward to his retirement. A big price to pay for a day out. :negative:

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    #1499774
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    Well said, Jac.
    You know what? Both horses ran a total of 70 times between them and Day of Roses had one fall in a PTP which was 5 years ago. Cillians Well just one unseat, still Southwell racecourse proved lethal to both of them. So sad….

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    What a shambles

    In the old sense of the word.

    #1501330
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    A shambles indeed. Are people waiting to be sacked or will they resign?
    So,so unnecessary.

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    I have followed the racing post lockdown extensively as I have been shielding/post shielding, so I have seen a lot of races, but I have not seen as many falls as at Southwell. It is appalling, something must be badly wrong, I was thinking that the actually fences have to be a factor. I noticed them, they wheel them away in sections and the actual fences look a bit stiff for a low grade like Southwell. I have also heard that that the course is a speedy one, it sounds that it is all set for the worst possible chances for the poor horses. Is there anything in the pipeline for an enquiry?

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    What an appalling title to this post. There is no such thing as approved killing of Horses.
    RISK! what do we think of risk? It’s a complicated question with so many moving parts.

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    At the time, the risk being unnecessarily high was apparent to many before those two additional horses were killed.

    Given the context, the title was entirely appropriate and the fact that nobody has been held to account is a stain on the sport.

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    Yes, the approved killing continues.

    2 fatalities last time, two new fatalities today. Present Endeavour broke his pelvis when jumping one of the hurdles in the straight. It looked too horrible to be true and this is what this sport can’t afford.

    Accidents happen, even to the good ones, but having both legs dislocated and not being able to stand att all is as worse as a broken neck.

    If racing is trying to become more popular after the lockdown, the last thing you need are such incidents. You won’t attract any new spectators and you won’t be able to explain “well, it’s one of those things”…..

    There is no reason why NH racing should take place at Southwell again.

    People should be talking and dreaming about Shishkin, Envoi Allen, Altior, Clan Des Obeaux and so on, instead they’re confronted and horrified by such incidents.

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    Good post Ruby well said. :good:
    I am one of those people who questions my love of the sport every time this happens, how long will it be before people start to turn away from NH racing because of the ongoing slaughter at Southwell racecourse.

    The sooner this place closes its doors for good the better.
    Jac

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    #1512766
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    Triptych, are you questioning the Integrity/Judgement of some of the top Trainers in NH Racing? Paul Nicholls, Dan Skelton, Philip Hobbs and Nigel Twiston-Davies? Are you questioning the Integrity/Judgement of the Owners? The Jockies? Are questioning the Integrity/Judgement of the management who run Southwell? The Ground Staff who maintain the Racecourse?

    It was said earlier in this thread that “the same thing would happen at Haydock if it had racing in the Summer” Well the Ground today was described as Good to Soft (soft in places) I watched the racing at Southwell today and there seemed to be cut in the Ground! So it can’t of been the GROUND so oh it must be the fences then yes?

    It seems to me that what you are advocating for the NH Racing is death by a thousand cuts, shut down Southwell as a NH Track, Horses will then race elsewhere and then what?

    All Sports (not just NH racing) are under threat through the madness, the wetness of risk aversion. You educate people about RISK you don’t cushion them that life has no risk.

    The title of this thread is deplorable, I suggest it has a poisonous agenda.

    #1512770
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    Well Factorman, you’re talking about the integrity or judgement of the management at Southwell.
    The answer is that Southwell has been a death trap for many years considering the rather low number of runners that usually contest a race.

    Nicholls had two runners today that were both head and shoulders above the opposition, so the risk for his horses was a much lower one.

    The fatally injured horse from the Charlie Longsdon stable (who has a pretta decent record at Southwell, nothing wrong with his judgement) was anything, but a racehorse.
    Ran in two bumpers, once beaten 50 lengths into 2nd last place, the other time it clipped heels and fell.
    His next four runs prior to taday were over hurdles where he was beaten 49, 90, 36 lengths and pulled up. SPs between 66/1 and 100/1 in the lowest possible class tell you something about it’s ability. A horse that always weakened after the 5th flight, runs over 2m4f today and with a circuit to run it starts weakening, doesn’t get it feet high enough at a rather unforgiving French style hurdle and breaks its back in the worst possible way.

    If a horse is just about to die for no obvious reasons, it shouldn’t be traumatised prior to it’s demise and you can bet that the horse didn’t have much fun in previous six outings either. Is this how you want the general public to fall in love or accept this sport?

    The course was already closed down for a few weeks, but for a rather easy track (no tight turns, no undulations, no stiff uphill finish) quite a lot bad accidents happen. If racing is supposed to be fun for the horses as well, then certainly not at this track.

    However something good happened today, the 4th last fence (which is a ditch) was damaged in the first race, so it only had to be jumped once. No fallers at that one and every chaser finished it’s race today.

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