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    well i’m just pleased as punch with ollie magerns effort.
    nearly identical, bar the ground, to his first charlie hall win. great to watch!

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    moehat
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    Good to see Ollie Magern back to his best, and also to see Strong Flow back….

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    TheOneAndOnlyTonyMcCoy
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    Well overall, Ollie Magern was a match for anyone. Twiston-Davies is on fire and to be honest, it was a dew winner.

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    Avatar photoGazs Way De Solzen
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    What a genuinely nice guy Nigel Twiston-Davis comes across as too.

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    didn’t Taranis try to run out at the second last?

    The way I saw was that he either lost his footing on, or was fazed by, the (sand?) path that ran across the approach to the fence, He went into it travelling well and came out like a drunk. Ruby did well to get him over the jump in the circumstances.
    I thought Taranis performed quite well considering the slow early pace almost allowed Justified to make a race of it. Ruby rode a good race, and had little choice but to make the pace if he was to draw the Irish horse’s sting, and the horse certainly wasn’t stopping at the end.
    He’ll be better given a lead, and will almost certainly leave this performance behind before the season ends imo.

    Well done to Ollie Magern, though I’d be a little more convinced his trainer was a genuinely nice guy if he didn’t have so many good horses over the years that inexplicably lost their form then suddenly found it again. :wink:

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    Avatar photoGazs Way De Solzen
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    I wasn’t sure what Taranis was doing at the 2nd last either, he didn’t look too keen, but never-the-less, jumped it really well.

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    "……………Delighted that the overrated State of Play got beat…………."

    Any reason why??

    ……you were delighted and State Of Play is overrated.

    Seems a rather random sort of statement.

    Colin

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    This posting seems to have unrealistic expectations of the size and quality of these early conditions chases given the dry and warm spell we`re having. Some trainers have reservations about the ground. I remember Looks Like Trouble`s tendon problems arising from the Down Royal race. As for the Charlie Hall – there may have been better renewals but on the other hand I remember Armagret winning it for Jumbo Wilkinson.

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    I don’t think there are too many positives for the future to be taken from either race.

    It was very much Ollie Margern’s day today. State Of Play was disappointing as he never really looked as if he was going to reel in the leader – on this evidence he will find victories hard to come by as there seemed no excuses. The standout of the race in many ways was the run of Aces Four – I feel sorry for anyone who may have backed him in advance of reading today’s Racing Post.

    It was a nice little pay day for Taranis but in beating a non-stayer and a rag it looked a pretty soft victory. Not a good sign at the second last either. Even allowing for a little improvement I can’t help thinking it would be a pretty poor King George if he ended up winning it.

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    Mixed feelings about the Charlie Hall. I used to be a massive fan of Ollie Magern, but thought he fell out of love with the game and stopped following him. Should have seen it coming tbh! Nevertheless, I’m pleased to see the old boy back on form.
    Was very disappointed with Aces Four. I can’t decide whether he just doesn’t stay or if yesterday was his lack of fitness showing, he went out like a light.

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    not sure what to make of Aces Four – I know he we were warned that he needed the run etc. but he seemed to be cruising up to about 2 [?] from home – at least his jumping held up well….maybe he doesn’t stay that distance and his falls and mistakes have been due to tiredness? says in my horses to follow book that he prefers a flat track…

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    I think the jury’s out on most of Ferdy Murphy’s animals until their second time out. There seems to have been plenty of his that have come there swinging two or three out, just to fall into a bit of a heap quickly afterwards.

    I don’t know if he has an above-average total of gassy, stuffy old scrotes on his hands at present, or whether this is just symptomatic of how he brought them all along this term.

    Either way, I’m reluctant to give up on them entirely just yet. Naiad Du Misselot, in particular, looks on a very exploitable mark to me once he’s 100% straight.

    Jeremy
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    Grey Desire
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    Could be worth bearing L’Antartique in mind then after his win today at Carlisle.

    #122947
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    my notebook for late last November has got scribbled in it [it always makes sense at the time] ‘Ferdy Murphy – 3 runs then handicap then back; now winning….

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    Aces Four will be a different beast in the Betfair Chase. Ferdy’s string always need a run….thats the way he trains them. Its no secret and anyone betting Aces yesterday would have been taking a very big gamble that an 80% fit animal would beat a NTD horse at this stage in the season. Give it a few more weeks and NTD wont be able to buy a race and Ferdy will be picking them up all over.

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    I’d be a little more convinced his trainer was a genuinely nice guy if he didn’t have so many good horses over the years that inexplicably lost their form then suddenly found it again. :wink:

    Interval training up a steep hill may explain why his horses blow hot and cold but rarely warm. Ideal terrain to get searching work into horses after a summer at grass and honing them hard-fit, but equally all to easy to over-train and/or temporarily sour them if continuing such a demanding regime, particularly after an actual race.

    So supremely fit (to the point of over-fit) horses often reasonably handicapped win plenty of early season races, their marks rise, they lose form, their marks fall and the cycle starts again.

    Naunton Brook ran a splendid race at Carlisle yesterday, fto, but was emptying rapidly up the hill and is more than likely one to avoid nto. His career profile pretty well encapsulates that of the stable in general.

    Twister is a decent fella who rather pleasingly has emerged from his shell of shy diffidence recently.

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