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  • #7596
    stilvi
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    Bailey(Kim)
    Beaumont
    Dalton
    Lungo
    Old
    Phillips
    Webber
    Williams(Ian)

    Hardly set the world alight in 07/08 – some have been struggling for several years.

    Can any of them turn the corner? Any you would like to add?

    #160094
    thedarkknight
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    Jonjo O’Neill
    Henrietta Knight

    #160098
    pilgarlic
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    Sorry to say Carl Llewellyn`s had a pretty thin time apart from bumper
    horses, Noel Chance`s fortunes could certainly do with an upswing ,
    suppose you could include most of Lambourn really though
    Sherwood`s making a decent fist of a revival.

    #160099
    stilvi
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    Definitely should have put Chance on the list. Oliver Sherwood and Andy Turnell are examples of trainers who have enjoyed a recent upturn in fortunes.

    #160102
    apracing
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    Evan Williams, Peter Bowen (although but for Special Envoy’s falls, his stats would look different!), Henry Daly – all earned a lot more in 2006/7 than they did this season.

    Charlie Egerton has a couple of decent chasers, but his hurdle winner at Bangor last night was just his second of the entire season. Seems a long time since he was training Teaatral.

    Richard Guest – last three seasons winners have been 55, 27 and now 17.

    The Lambourn rumour mill suggests that Chance is selling his yard.

    AP

    #160108
    Black Sam Bellamy
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    Charlie Egerton getting expensive yearlings each year is one of life’s mysteries…19 wins and £200k prize money from the horses below in the last five years. Talk about a lack of return…

    Humungous – 380,000gns
    Russian Symphony – 260,000 euros
    Vinando – 160,000gns
    Mango Masher – 300,000euros
    Dr Livingstone – 190,000gns
    Art Deco – 140,000gns
    Vincenzio – 210,000gns
    Grand Entrance – 140,000euros
    Kurumba – 400,000gns
    Smooth As Silk – 240,000euros
    Tilly Shilling – 180,000euros
    Special Feature – 175,000gns

    #160110
    stilvi
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    Charlie Egerton getting expensive yearlings each year is one of life’s mysteries…19 wins and £200k prize money from the horses below in the last five years. Talk about a lack of return…

    Humungous – 380,000gns
    Russian Symphony – 260,000 euros
    Vinando – 160,000gns
    Mango Masher – 300,000euros
    Dr Livingstone – 190,000gns
    Art Deco – 140,000gns
    Vincenzio – 210,000gns
    Grand Entrance – 140,000euros
    Kurumba – 400,000gns
    Smooth As Silk – 240,000euros
    Tilly Shilling – 180,000euros
    Special Feature – 175,000gns

    Are they all different owners? If only he could get someone to pay that kind of money for a few jumpers – The Entomologist cost 90,000gns but I can’t think of too many other costly acquisitions.

    #160112
    davidjohnson
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    Most of those on the list ran in the same colours registered currently as the Exors of the Late Mrs E. A Hankinson,

    #160172
    Avatar photoaji
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    There must be a "Nicholls" effect. If he takes £4m of the available prize money, and so by inference a good chunk of the races, there is less to go round for everyone else.

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    Beaumont

    Peter Beaumont is a lovely man with a good eye for, and a good trainer of ‘the old fashioned chaser’ but he’s elderly and hasn’t been too well in recent years, so it seems likely he’ll retire before long. Whether he has someone lined up to take over at Foulrice Farm (great name) I don’t know.

    Other than Monkerhostin yesterday, Philip Hobbs seems to have had a quiet year by his standards – a temporary blip surely?

    Venetia Williams can’t really be said to going through a temporary blip or a decline as the winners continue to flow, but I’d very much like to see this fine trainer, who has a Nicholls-like knack of thoughtful placement, given ammo of the calibre she once had. Or perhaps she’s not bothered.

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    Venetia Williams can’t really be said to going through a temporary blip or a decline as the winners continue to flow, but I’d very much like to see this fine trainer, who has a Nicholls-like knack of thoughtful placement, given ammo of the calibre she once had. Or perhaps she’s not bothered.

    She is an example of someone who could have appeared on a list like this but has ‘returned’ this season. Not known for very expensive young horses I have noticed a few more recently – Walk Tall, Weird Al and Alderley Rover. The ‘discovery’ of Aidan Coleman has been a huge plus.

    #160191
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    Get the feeling that Kim Bailey is veering more towards training point to pointers; however, although he is no longer training Gold Cup winners his life from what I’ve seen on his website looks pretty idyllic; and good luck to him.Is the problem that trainers like Nicholls are buying expensive ready made runners from France, whereas others are buying slower maturing horses?

    #160193
    GhostofTheFellow
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    Dont know whats happening at Len Lungos yard-they used to send out novice hurdle winner by the bucket load,problem being they were beating nothing up here but the minute they sent thenm south the handicapper would nail them to the floor.

    But Len is a great gold lover and ive heard his handicap is falling like a stone!!!

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    Get the feeling that Kim Bailey is veering more towards training point to pointers; however, although he is no longer training Gold Cup winners his life from what I’ve seen on his website looks pretty idyllic;

    I’m wondering how idyllic it can really be after a worst-ever season that realised three winners from 131 runners (total prizemoney: £29,500) and witnessed the death of his one remaining classy horse in Longshanks.

    My understanding was that his move to Andoversford was to leave behind the run of bad luck and poor horse form that had enveloped his Preston Capes operation – that decline has only accelerated this season, though.

    gc

    Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

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    Richard Guest – last three seasons winners have been 55, 27 and now 17.

    Probably not an open and shut case, this.

    Putting aside his split with Paul Beck, Concertina Racing, Willie McKay and Henry Oliver in quick succession during 2005-6, the last two seasons have seen him firstly shift the emphasis of his string to something more like half and half Flat and jumps, and then most recently move the entire training operation from Durham to Nottinghamshire (losing many of his more parochial owners in the process).

    With things finally relatively settled now, and boxes starting to fill up again slowly after the upheaval, I’d be more inclined to judge him this time next year. No more excuses, Guesty – saddle some bleedin’ winners!

    gc

    Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

    #160267
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    Add Nicky Richards to the list as well

    #160270
    Grey Desire
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    Lenny Lungo would certainly be on my list,he doesn’t even hoover up those bumpers at Ayr anymore.
    Apart from the four timer at Huntingdon a few weeks ago it has been a very poor season for Hen.
    Mous of Men & Oumeyade both winning over the weekend for new connections wouldn’t have helped her mood.

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