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  • #4753
    the welsh wizard
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    I heard journalists talking at Ascot on the weekend about this year’s renewal being about as poor as the KG & QE on Saturday; I’d just like to remind them and any others who were thinking of thinking along those lines that last year’s renewal was won by Court Masterpiece – and that any race which sees the winner of the Queen Anne take on the winner of the St. James’ Palace on their next starts is worth travelling a long way to see particular if an Asiatic Boy is there to add spice to the mix.

    #109726
    Gareth Flynn
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    The 7 runners in the King George had won 11 Group 1s between them.

    The 8 runners in the Sussex have won 3 between them.

    #109727
    the welsh wizard
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    The 7 runners in the King George had won 11 Group 1s between them.

    Three of these were the
    Grosser Volkswagen Preis von Baden
    Gran Premio del Jockey Club Italiano
    IVG – Preis von Europa

    Group 3’s by any other name.

    Three more, the
    Coronation Cup
    Grand Prix de Paris
    St Leger

    were won by a horse running in the race as a a pacemaker.

    One, the
    Prix du Cadran
    is over 2m 4f.

    One, Laverock’s
    Prix d’Ispahan
    was described by the RP as "a bad renewal" despite the presence of an immature Manduro.

    Three, Dylan Thomas’s
    Prix Ganay
    Irish Champion Stakes
    Irish Derby

    were the only one’s worth mentioning.

    Proving that there are lies, damned lies, and Gareth Flynn’s statistics.[/b]

    #109729
    Gareth Flynn
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    I give facts, you give opinion. I know which one I’d rather base statistics on.

    #109735
    benbdb
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    The thing is gareth it doesnt matter what theyve won if there not good enough, either at the trip or in general, to be competitive. like everything except dylan thomas in the race on saturday turned out to be.

    #109738
    Black Sam Bellamy
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    Despite the form being let down by the likes of Folk and Jack Junior, I thought that Asiatic Boy looked something special in the UAE Derby…does anyone have an opinion on whether this horse will handle the grass ?

    #109739
    Gareth Flynn
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    Take Dylan Thomas out of the King George and it’s still a better quality race than the Sussex, IMO.

    Now the Nassau on the other hand, there’s a race and a half.

    #109742
    Flash
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    Take Dylan Thomas out of the King George and it’s still a better quality race than the Sussex, IMO.

    Its about the same if you take Dylan Thomas out, its not a strong group one in as much as the horses in the race are low rated group one horses.

    #109743
    Gareth Flynn
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    Excellent Art, Ramonti (unlike some, I respect his Italian Group 1 win) and Asiatic Boy, sure. The rest? They’ve won a pair of Group 2s between them, and only Jeremy can boast an RPR in excess of 120.

    #109749
    Avatar photoMaxilon 5
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    Asiatic Boy handles turf well, Black Sam. 2 runs, 1 win, 1 place in Italy.

    Through horses like Rallying Cry and Traffic Guard, I’m not sure this one is a genuine G1 animal, however good it looked in Dubai.

    #109755
    dandan
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    I reckon Asiatic Boy is Group 1 standard all right.

    #109759
    deltaman
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    Despite the form being let down by the likes of Folk and Jack Junior, I thought that Asiatic Boy looked something special in the UAE Derby…does anyone have an opinion on whether this horse will handle the grass ?

    Never ran right-handed course…..next time out maybe! 8)

    #109764
    Avatar photoEuro
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    Awful race this year. Group 2 standard.

    #109799
    Black Sam Bellamy
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    Maxilon 5..are you sure the turf form is in Italy ?

    #109802
    Avatar photoMaxilon 5
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    Well spotted on the error, BSB. Asiatic Boy learned his trade, of course, in Argentina. At Palermo and San Isidoro, (which can be regularly watched on Channel 433). Sorry about that!

    #109825
    Aragorn
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    I think this may prove to be a pretty good race.. I think you will find that Excellent Art is one of the two best 3yo milers and he should really be unbeaten coming into this. Asiatic Boy adds some spice and ramonti is no mug. Its better than last years renewal…

    And why is everyone so bl**dy pessimistic about everything at the moment anyway!! Perhaps now the suns out everyone will be a bit more positive. For what its worth i’m quite looking forward to it.. And if my boss hadn’t decided to go on paternity leave i’d be there.. Which i’m gutted about!!!

    #109826
    Gareth Flynn
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    I agree that there’s a couple in there who have the ability put in a performance worthy of the race. Let’s hope they do.

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