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Sporting John
4g Getaway – Wild Spell
JP McManus
1(ptp)-
RPR 94p
He was bought for JP at the Cheltenham Festival Sale after winning his maiden point-to-point days earlier. He’s a decent prospect for novice hurdles, I don’t know whether he’ll run in a bumper first.From RP
From the PTP dossier:
Sporting John:JP McManus (Getaway)
This is a tall elegant brown gelding, a half-brother to current UK hunter chaser Kakabaloo, former jump jockey Matt O Connor secured him at the 2018 Land Rover sale for 33,000 Euros and prepared him for his one point outing at Borris(s): this track in county Carlow is getting a reputation for staging a quality 4 year old maiden at the March fixture and the 2019 renewal was one of the smartest maidens of the spring. Sporting John sat towards rear, until his jockey, Jimmy O Rourke, moved him closer 3 out: from there to the finish he locked horns with Generation Text and finished the stronger to win by 2 & ½ lengths. He was the bought by JP McManus for £160k at Cheltenham March sales, as I write mid-summer, no decision has been made on his new trainer. Andy Dufresne who McManus also picked up in 2018 when winning the corresponding maiden, clocked a time of 6:33 in similar ground: we know that Andy Dufresne looks like a Grade 1 standard jumps horse: Sporting John clocked 6:32 in 2019 and the 3rd, 4th & 5th from this Borris race have all won since, giving the form a tremendous boost. From a family containing Oscar Whiskey & Seeyouatmidnight, I would describe Sporting John as a rock solid stayer with a touch of class: the decision on who gets to train Sporting John may decide whether he emerges as a graded/championship novice hurdler or just another 130+ McManus handicapper. I think he will always prefer some element of cut in the ground.Twitter: Jackh1092
Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Think Harry Senior and Bullionaire may have cut each other’s throats a bit but Sporting John looked great gliding up the hill. Impressive from a 4 year against older horses too.
DG, any idea on the source? There’s been a few things mentioned.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Interconnected out for the season as well. Nearly a million pounds’ worth of horse between them with a collective haul under rules so far of two bumper wins and a second in a novice hurdle. Yikes.
If you want to be sure of buying a gold cup or Grand National then you really have to do what Giggi have done: spend millions of pounds on hundreds of horses over a decade or two, cross your fingers and hope. Or you could own Norton’s Coin
Blue Sari, Blackbow, D’Lauro and Andy Dufresne are all entered in Ireland this weekend.
Malone Road apparently picked up another injury and GE is hoping to get him out at Xmas.
Have backed ANDY DUFRESNE AT 20/1 for the SUPREME. Bags of pay, stays and jumps well
Not a chance he will go for the ALBERT BARTLETT, I cant believe hes FAV for that race. Connections have blue sari, chantry hill, dlauro for the ballymore and Albert Bartlett.
Good luck all
Good God how good did Any Dufresne look last week? Would love to see him back over two miles. Gears!
Think Envoi Allen will come here. Just have a feeling that all is not right with Malone Road and that Envoi Allen will come here and Andy Dufresne will go to The Ballymore. Elliot normally plays his hand nice and early and he has two stand out crackers for the Novice Hurdle division in these two lads. DLauro is is another one with a big reputation and I’m looking forward to him also.
JON SNOW 33/1
Has joined Ricci and Mullins and been talked up very highly by trainer and expects him to develop into a grade 1 novice hurdler this season
Jon Snow has a long way to go to get up to the level of Envoi Allen based on his first run. Although Mullins said he hoped he’d be a grade 1 horse the fact he was 33/1 in the Supreme market before he ran tells you that he wasn’t going to be the typical Mullins Supreme favorite. Long before Melon or Min debuted they were getting hammered on the exchanges based on hype and what Vautour and Douvan did..
Malone Road is now out for the season. Now convinced Envoi Allen is coming here and 6/1 is a good price. If he wins the Royal Bond and then wins at Xmas and the Dublin Racing festival then he could be 7/4 on the day although the bookies will have good deals to take him on. Ruby said a few years back that you don’t necessarily need gears to win a Supreme; you need to have a strong gallop, be a good jumper and a strong stayer. They go off like the clappers in the Supreme and you have to stay to get up the hill after a relentless gallop. Horses with gears are more suited by the Ballymore because they go slower for the first full circuit and then the race opens up for horses with gears.
It seems that every time there is a novice hurdle race in ireland ENVOI ALLENS form gets one way or another! hes beat a good deal of them coming through. unless something comes out of nowhere and smashes a good rival to pieces then all it comes down to is deciding where he goes, i think its here
I don’t get where the confidence behind Envoi Allen switching to the supreme in the absence of Malone Road comes from. Gordon will place EA in the race he thinks he’s most likely to win. Gordon said 2m5f is the plan, a view further endorsed by Keith Donaghue. We don’t know if MR would have made it at the top level anyway and Gordon tends to stick to his plans. I appreciate anything can happen and EA does possess the speed for a supreme, but he would most likely possess the stamina for an Albert Bartlett, it doesn’t mean either of those races are more suitable. Gordon said (betfair stable tour) ‘I’d say all he’d do is stay, and if you look at him in all his bumpers from Cheltenham to his first bumper he looks half a mile out like he’s going as hard as he can but last 2 furlongs he picks up and he gallops’. Forget what I’ve said and your own visual impression left by the horse, what part of these comments would make anyone think supreme? I get the point about not necessarily needing gears to win a Supreme (who am I to argue with Ruby), but what’s necessary about putting a horse in a race where it may (not will) be vulnerable to a horse with more speed, when the Ballymore could be a less risky and more winnable option based on whats been said to date. Of course everything can change, he may hose up over 2m showing blistering speed next time out, I’m just saying that confidence in the supreme has little to no substance to it based on what we know now.
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