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  • #391573
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    As a Tetlami fan I was encouraged by Simonsig’s Kelso performance…a good one for a promising novice but not enough to believe him to be a threat in the Supreme and therefore the chance of Barry Geraghty being on Tetlami has improved, I should say.
    Barry is not above moving a few chairs around a bit to improve the comfort of the room, so to speak. And has a bit of previous, most recently suggesting to NH that Sprinter Sacre take in the Game Spirit rather than the (subsequently abandoned) Kingmaker at Warwick.
    I imagine he would not be averse to riding Simonsig in the Neptune and Tetlami in the Supreme.

    #391574
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    You attitude just smacks of a lack of respect to one and all.

    "has not got the wealth of experience of someone like yourself to back up their opinion and is clearly not worthy of even mucking out your stable "

    Contradict yourself much?

    I am a certified douchebag and have no issues with this, atleast i don’t have delusions of granduer like some. I mean how old and insecure can one be given the forementioned quote? And people wonder why there is a lack of youth participation in following the sport.

    40 is the answer here pal, and i’ll be partying like a madman round Cheltenham 4 weeks today with absolutely zero delusions of granduer, whilst you are probably bashing away on your keyboard picking holes in everyone’s opinion.
    Anyway, best of luck to you for the festival and lets hope we all have a few winners.

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    As a Tetlami fan I was encouraged by Simonsig’s Kelso performance…a good one for a promising novice but not enough to believe him to be a threat in the Supreme and therefore the chance of Barry Geraghty being on Tetlami has improved, I should say.
    Barry is not above moving a few chairs around a bit to improve the comfort of the room, so to speak. And has a bit of previous, most recently suggesting to NH that Sprinter Sacre take in the Game Spirit rather than the (subsequently abandoned) Kingmaker at Warwick.
    I imagine he would not be averse to riding Simonsig in the Neptune and Tetlami in the Supreme.

    Personally I took it as a negative. Concerns me that they’re thinking of putting a horse into the Supreme who potentially will be better over a longer trip. Why would they do that if they had a good 2m novice at home?

    #391581
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    Yes it does point at that more than my first hope that they realised he was a star. I guess it means Geraghty thinks Tetlami is a better 2 m horse than simonsig but perhaps not a world beater.

    Best not try to understand what they think as a lot of the time they are wrong anyway.

    For the record i am taking simonsig on whatever hurdle route, his jumping today was appalling and slow, top classers would murder him. Still can’t trust that bridle merchant look he had versus fingal. Put in his place fair and square. Not having any of that ground nonsense too. He was going a good clip when closing on fingal then fingal repelled with ease and he had no answers. BRIDESMAID

    Cracking chaser though.

    Just my opinion.

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    Nicky Henderson’s Supreme record is horrible. It seems to be based on the fact that his novice hurdlers, though clearly very talented, have always seemed to lack the strength to get the hill. I could go back years to give examples.

    If he has any sense, Simonsig, one that looked a brute today over more than 2 miles and even kept going after knocking a couple of hurdles, clattering the last, should run in this. He looks his golden ticket as I can’t imagine how the hill could possibly be a factor for him. He travelled so well throughout it seems he clearly has enough speed. I am a trends man though and the lack of winning favourites and Henderson’s record do concern me, but this horse looks ideal for a stiff 2 miles in a Championship novice race at the festival.

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    As a Tetlami fan I was encouraged by Simonsig’s Kelso performance…a good one for a promising novice but not enough to believe him to be a threat in the Supreme and therefore the chance of Barry Geraghty being on Tetlami has improved, I should say.
    Barry is not above moving a few chairs around a bit to improve the comfort of the room, so to speak. And has a bit of previous, most recently suggesting to NH that Sprinter Sacre take in the Game Spirit rather than the (subsequently abandoned) Kingmaker at Warwick.
    I imagine he would not be averse to riding Simonsig in the Neptune and Tetlami in the Supreme.

    Personally I took it as a negative. Concerns me that they’re thinking of putting a horse into the Supreme who potentially will be better over a longer trip. Why would they do that if they had a good 2m novice at home?

    But nobody thinks that much of Tetlami anyway, hence 16/1.
    When you think you see something others don’t…you act accordingly. It wouldn’t be the first time I have gotten a handle on a horse sharper than its trainer (opposite also true mind).
    However, I do think the Henderson camp are coming round to Tetlami as their number one and a good horse in his own right…there are few signs out there to be read. The way he was ridden in the jumpers bumper being one amongst others.

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    Has the name ‘Galileo’s Choice’ even been mentioned today?

    #391637
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    How about Simonsig goes for the Neptune?

    Tetlami misses Cheltenham goes to Aintree?

    Keys: Wins with his head in his chest tomorrow goes for the Supreme

    :idea: and none of them win ?

    #391639
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    The only way Simonsig wins at Cheltenham is if he goes for this race IMO.

    #391646
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    Lot of weakness surrounding Darlan on the exchanges, has been very weak since Sunday. Was 12 at one point then, now 18.5. Tetlami’s drifted a point since yesterday too. I imagine for the reasons I’ve already outlined re. Simonsig.

    Steps to Freedom has also been very weak overnight, drifting from 9.5 to 12, I assume ahead of his prep at Dundalk.

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    No, it’s because Jessie Harrington has elected to bypass Dundalk with Steps to Freedom and he goes straight to the Festival.

    #391662
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    I put Simonsig’s average jumping down yesterday as a desire to go faster. He was fighting BJG all the way round, and Geraghty seemed intent on winning on the bridle. If the horse pulls like that in the Neptune he won’t get home.

    Plus, I’ve backed him for this, and my pocket is now slightly worried.

    #391676
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    Has the name ‘Galileo’s Choice’ even been mentioned today?

    He’s been my first choice for this race since he canetered away from Luska Lad over 2 miles in the summer

    Nothing I’ve seen so far alters that opinion

    I may have posted about him in The Neptune page but related to this race

    #391681
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    This is normally my favourite race of the meeting, though that’s surely down to the atmosphere and pent up excitement on the course.

    This year’s renewal though is dire, no two ways about it.

    I’ve been through the entries numerous times and having had a small interest at 20/1 on Colour Squadron the day before the Tolworth and then another small bet on Simonsig at 14s I was waiting for NRNB to put my proper bet on the Henderson beast.

    The fact is though, bookies like Ladbrokes are scandulously offering 5/1 on it. As this stage I’d say it’s 50/50 between this and the Neptune meaning you’re only getting c. 2/1 on it winning should it run.

    Complete and utter joke and one of the worst prices I have seen in 30 years betting.

    I can’t touch it at that price so it’s time to look elsewhere and Cinders and Ashes and Steps to Freedom head my short list.

    The latter, although I’m worried about the long lay off, has this covered purely on the sole form of his Aintree bumper win and unlike most years there doesn’t seem to be an unexposed type waiting to run away with it – with the possible exception of Simonsig.

    If I can get NRNB and 10/1 about Simonsig in the future (unlikely I know) I will probably go in again but given that Steps To Freedom looks guaranteed to run I’d prefer – if I were to bet at this stage – the current 9/1 but shall now wait untill the day for this race and review the prices in the hope that Ladcrookes and co. push out the prices to something resembling sensible.

    Lee

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    Interesting novice hurdle tomorrow at newbury. All the Aces, Colour Squadron, Montbazon and Vulcanite all go.

    Personally, i think it’s a rematch between Colour Squadrom and Montbazon. All the aces is held on form and i don’t think Vulcanite is good enough. I expect the winner to shorten and outside of Henderson’s other lot and Cinders and Ashes, to be the main British protoganist for the Supreme.

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    I put Simonsig’s average jumping down yesterday as a desire to go faster. He was fighting BJG all the way round, and Geraghty seemed intent on winning on the bridle. If the horse pulls like that in the Neptune he won’t get home.

    Plus, I’ve backed him for this, and my pocket is now slightly worried.

    Reminds me of Dunguib but a better jumper.

    Will jump a fence but this season it’s surely this race. Johnson will kick for home on Colour Squadron at the turn home, there’s still four or five in with a chance but Geraghty hasn’t moved a muscle…

    Hopefully Nicky learns from his his recent runners in this – all have tired at the finish. Simonsig is older and has more stamina

    #391689
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    I put Simonsig’s average jumping down yesterday as a desire to go faster. He was fighting BJG all the way round, and Geraghty seemed intent on winning on the bridle. If the horse pulls like that in the Neptune he won’t get home.

    Plus, I’ve backed him for this, and my pocket is now slightly worried.

    Reminds me of Dunguib but a better jumper.

    Will jump a fence but this season it’s surely this race. Johnson will kick for home on Colour Squadron at the turn home, there’s still four or five in with a chance but Geraghty hasn’t moved a muscle…

    Hopefully Nicky learns from his his recent runners in this – all have tired at the finish. Simonsig is older and has more stamina

    Yes, I suppose you could compare him with Dunguib in that they both travel on the bridle and make mistakes but that should at this stage be the limit of the comparison. Dunguib did bolt up in the Festival bumper, place in a Supreme and win several races over the minimum trip. In form terms Simonsig has done nothing.

    As for the race scenario itself much more likely would be pushed along and outpaced, mistakes, pulled up halfway to save further punishment.

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