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  • #1709332
    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
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    Entries………

    https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/188/limerick/2024-10-20/878773

    No market yet, and this one doesn’t always get an Antepost market, but no harm in looking

    The Goffer was the main bet last year, but didn’t figure at the end, and never looked like really threatening. I’ll probably cover him sentimentally every time he’s a price this season, but unlikely to be main selection too often. I’m confident he’ll win a decent handicap this year. Figuring out what one though will be tricky.

    On the face of it Janidil would have his work cut out, but I just like him, and I’ll definitely bet him if he goes. Just conscious though that he can keep the weight down for Horantzou D’Airy

    I stupidly left out Lucid Dreams at Listowel, but definitely more interested this time, while Panda Boy is surely going to step up at some point.

    I’d give respect to anything Eric McNamara runs in this, and of his entries, I’d just favour Embittered over Real Steel

    Very pleased there’s not a market yet, as I’m also a big fan of Thecompanysergeant, while on his run in The Leopardstown Chase, this looks a decent target for Good Time Jonny, but I have him down as a big player for The Paddy Power Chase back at Leopardstown over Christmas

    Last but not least is old favourite Battleoverdoyen. Up a few pounds for his win in The Blazers, but still looks reasonably treated on best form. He’s likely be the EW selection, as I can see him being underestimated

    Very happy to see revisit this after Final Decs, but I’ll no doubt buckle should it be priced up.

    These two would be the picks right now………

    Battleoverdoyen
    Janidil

    #1709930
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    Horantzau d’Airy
    Donkey Years

    VF x

    #1709938
    greenasgrass
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    Ground is currently good but rain forecast and we know what Limerick is like. With that in mind, Favouri de Champdou would interest me most, but he might not be much of a price. He’s the only Giggi entry and has course form of 11. The first of these was the 3m G2 novice hurdle comfortably beating Letsbeclearaboutit. The second was his last start novice chasing last season- after two very good runs against decent horses, then three poor ones in the Nevile Hotels, Ten Up and Irish National…but I think the first of these was just as the yard was about to plunge into a (presumably viral) slump which the horses took time to get over. His mark is 144 and I think he’s got a few lb in hand. I’d back him this minute if there were prices up.

    I’m also interested in Grandero Bello, I think he’s a good horse on a nice mark but obviously comes with a health warning and I’d want to see him declared before putting money down (not that there’s a market up).

    #1710012
    Mathematician Betting
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    Some extra data for those with an interest in a race trends perspective.
    Just early days phase #1 stuff that looks at pure race trends alone.
    More work to be done [ by my mate Guy ] by race day.

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    Munster National

    34 horses in the race

    No market at the moment

    Who want’s it most ?

    Trainers runners

    9 Gordon Elliott
    4 Gavin Cromwell
    4 E McNamara
    2 W P Mullins

    Willie Mullins only has 2 entered
    Expecting only 1 of those to run
    But clearly has not prioritised this

    Things will be clearer
    When we know who runs

    Race statistics below

    Sunday 2nd October

    Limerick 4.15

    Munster National

    Handicap Chase

    Age of Recent winners

    7 9 7 7 7 7 8 6 7 6 7
    7 8 8 8 6 7 8 8 7 10
    10 8 9 8 8 7 6 7 7

    Horses aged 9 or more
    Have a 1-82 record since 2007

    The only 9yo winner (2022)
    Was unusually lightly raced

    28 of the last 30 winners
    Were under 10 years old

    The 10yo winners were lucky
    One won in a really tiny field
    One when half of his rivals
    Were disqualified in the race

    Past winners
    Had the following chase runs

    19 8 5 6 9 10 6 7 4
    7 13 4 3 12 5 5 5

    Snapshot of past winners

    2023 – 7 Year old with 19 Chases
    2022 – 9 Year old with 5 Chases
    2021 – 7 Year old with 5 Chases
    2020 – 7 Year old with 6 Chases
    2019 – 7 Year old with 9 Chases
    2018 – 7 Year old with 10 Chases
    2017 – 8 Year old with 6 Chases
    2016 – 6 Year old with 7 Chases
    2015 – 7 Year old with 4 Chases
    2014 – 6 Year old with 7 Chases
    2013 – 7 Year old with 13 Chases
    2012 – 7 Year old with 4 Chases
    2011 – 8 Year old with 3 Chases
    2010 – 8 Year old with 12 Chases
    2009 – 8 Year old with 5 Chases
    2008 – 6 Year old with 5 Chases
    2007 – 7 Year old with 5 Chases

    Only 1 past winner
    Had under 4 Chase runs

    That was 8yo Muirhead in 2011
    Who had Grade 1 form to his name
    He had 3 prep runs before winning

    Horses with 14 + Chase runs
    Won this race in 2006 and 2023
    They won in small fields of 11-12
    They both had 2 + runs that year
    Both came from the Kerry National

    Horses from Kerry’s National
    Won this twice 2014-2023
    They have a 2-51 record

    Horses aged 8 or more
    From the Kerry National
    Have a 0-29 record so far

    Horses from Kerry’s National
    Who finished the race last time
    Have a 1-36 record
    That winner had 4 prep runs
    Those with 1-2 prep runs
    Have a 0-22 record in this

    Past winners
    Had the following days absences

    32 252 316 10 35 72 224 22 74 25
    64 37 17 25 132 172 170 18

    Horses absent over 4 months
    Won this race 6 times recently
    They had 8 5 6 5 5 6 Chase runs

    None with more than 8 chases
    Won this with a long absence
    Those that tried it were 0-26

    Horses with 1 run this season
    Running within the last 34 days
    Have a worrying 0-28 record

    Most winners had 4-15 hurdle runs
    All had fewer than 16 hurdle races

    No horse has won this race
    With more than 35 lifetime runs

    Almost every past winner
    Had 13-34 Lifetime starts

    The 6-year old winners of this
    Both had 7 previous chase runs

    Horses rated 145 or more
    Have a 0-16 record so far

    No horse aged 8 or more
    Won with 11st 5lbs or more (0-12)

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    Best Wishes
    Mick

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    Not having a bet but Good Thyme Johnny would be the one for me (16s currently) . Hes a reserve so likely won’t get in though. Rating of 128 is very appealing.

    He is also entered in the durham national on the same day at sedgefiled – UK mark 132.

    I imagine with this horses previous liking for cheltenham they will be going for the novice handicap chase at the fesitval so will need a win or 2 to get into one of those handicaps.

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    Horantzau D’airy ew 6 places

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    Panda Boy.

    The more I know the less I understand.

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    Two in this, for me

    Panda Boy 14s
    Falco Blitz e/w 33s
    :good:

    #1710422
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    On the favourite , he was doing all his best work at the last time , always playee old favourite Battleoverdoyen 7 places and also Embittered 7 places , not convinced yet he truly stays 3m but if he is going to then it’ll be on good ground

    Pick 3 on Saturday champion 2025/2026

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    Added ThecompanySargeant to

    Horantzau D’airy
    Perceval Legallois

    Vf x

    #1710430
    Eezer
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    Chemical Energy is my more sensible selection at 14-1, but at 33-1 I’ll have Another Choice ew, who is actually a bigger fancy

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    Added Battleoverdoyen 66s, e/w (1st 5)
    :good:

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    Another vote for Another Choice. One of the least exposed runners in the race and I’m sure the trip will suit.

    #1710456
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    I went for two less exposed horses:
    Stuzzikini EW at 28s and the above mentioned Another Choice EW at 25s.

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    I’ve backed Stuzzikini as I like horses with course form. Love this race! Will probably add Another Choice, too.

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    Some late N/Rs now. Some early bets will cop a 35p in £ deduction :negative:

    List:
    Janidil
    Favori De C
    Perceval L
    Yeah Man
    Grandero Belo
    Good Time Jonny
    Jumping Jet

    #1710460
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    Initially kicking myself for not getting the big prices on Battleoverdoyen, with that R4 attached. He’s main one now at 28’s, hopefully without another R4 if any more drop out

    I’ll leave Thecompanysargeant now, as much as I really like him, and have a “just in case” bet on The Goffer.

    Battleoverdoyen 28’s EW

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