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i’d struggle to find a sentence with less actual meaning or contend.
On that very subject I think I’ve found one, check above
I assumme you mean "Content" not "Contend"?Re Dermot Weld being a "proper" trainer as opposed to being just a very good jumps stable, Nicholls, Mullins et al.
How many of the trainers you list above can compare with his record.European Flat racing:
Irish Oaks (1981, 1996)
Prix de l’Abbaye de Longchamp (1984, 1985)
Irish 2,000 Guineas (1986)
Irish 1,000 Guineas (1982, 1988, 2006, 2010)
Derby Italiano (1992)
St. James’s Palace Stakes (1992)
Bayerisches Zuchtrennen (1993)
Irish St. Leger
(1993, 1994, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)
Irish Derby (1996, 2004)
Prix Royal-Oak (2001)British Classic Race wins:
Epsom Oaks (1981)
2,000 Guineas (2003)American Classic Race wins:
Belmont Stakes (1990)International:
Hong Kong Mile (1991)
Melbourne Cup (1993, 2002)
Secretariat Stakes (2008)Steeplechase / Hurdling:
Anniversary 4-Y-O Novices’ Hurdle (1986)
Irish Grand National (1988)
Triumph Hurdle (1990)
Irish Champion Hurdle (1994, 1995)
Punchestown Gold Cup (1980)Dreampt Steps to Freedom won his prep at Dundalk comfortably last night, don’t know whether that means anything . .
On that very subject I think I’ve found one, check above
I assumme you mean "Content" not "Contend"?If you wish to pontificate over a typo, brilliant. Enjoy.
Re Dermot Weld being a "proper" trainer as opposed to being just a very good jumps stable, Nicholls, Mullins et al.
How many of the trainers you list above can compare with his record.What does proper mean? Either you don’t understand the defnition of it, or you meant to say the word "Better". As all the other trainers listed sit at the top of the National Hunt game ; you know, the discipline we are currently discussing.
European Flat racing:
Irish Oaks (1981, 1996)
Prix de l’Abbaye de Longchamp (1984, 1985)
Irish 2,000 Guineas (1986)
Irish 1,000 Guineas (1982, 1988, 2006, 2010)
Derby Italiano (1992)
St. James’s Palace Stakes (1992)
Bayerisches Zuchtrennen (1993)
Irish St. Leger
(1993, 1994, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)
Irish Derby (1996, 2004)
Prix Royal-Oak (2001)British Classic Race wins:
Epsom Oaks (1981)
2,000 Guineas (2003)American Classic Race wins:
Belmont Stakes (1990)International:
Hong Kong Mile (1991)
Melbourne Cup (1993, 2002)
Secretariat Stakes (2008)Steeplechase / Hurdling:
Anniversary 4-Y-O Novices’ Hurdle (1986)
Irish Grand National (1988)
Triumph Hurdle (1990)
Irish Champion Hurdle (1994, 1995)
Punchestown Gold Cup (1980)What does this mean? That Weld has the ability to train good flat horses, something that A) He’s had the opportunity to do and something he has wanted to do B) It’s total irrelevant to a Cheltenham Festival thread.
Dermot Weld winning an oaks and Paul Nicholls not means nothing relative to the discussion. Paul Nicholls has a better NH record, yet we don’t define him as a "proper" (what a ludicrious term) trainer?
If you wanted to construct an argument based on a trainer and his history, then Weld in this context, is a negative, not a positive.
What does proper mean? Either you don’t understand the defnition of it, or you meant to say the word "Better". As all the other trainers listed sit at the top of the National Hunt game ; you know, the discipline we are currently discussing.
J17Star
I don’t want to get into a spat with you, especially one you’ve started, but surely you’ve heard the word "proper" before, used in this context ?
It’s an traditional term in racing terminology, possibly more common in Ireland but in general use amongst racing folk.
ie "He’s a proper horse" meaning, he’s very good, he’s the real deal, etc etc
You’ll find it used regularily in the RP Analysis of Irish Bumpers or Novice races, more often used to describe lightly raced animals than established horses admittedly.
My use of the term meant no slight whatsoever on any other trainer or jockey, I meant both the trainer and jockey concerned are of the quality and ability needed to win a major prize at a meeting like Cheltenham.Having just seen the way Galileo’s Choice won on totally unsuitable going, he’s starting to look like a banker for The Supreme, especially if Simonsig shows at Kelso that a longer trip will play to his strengths and is headed for The Neptune
How was his jumping?
Sorry but this 4 length win in a four runner field cannot make a horse the banker for any supreme. He has a chance like any of the top 8.
I do fear you are a bit blinded by the love of Weld. Don’t fall in love with your tip it creates a horrible curtain of comfort. If you can comfortably rule out lots of contenders then yes but there is a case to be made for too many.
What does proper mean? Either you don’t understand the defnition of it, or you meant to say the word "Better". As all the other trainers listed sit at the top of the National Hunt game ; you know, the discipline we are currently discussing.
J17Star
I don’t want to get into a spat with you, especially one you’ve started, but surely you’ve heard the word "proper" before, used in this context ?
It’s an traditional term in racing terminology, possibly more common in Ireland but in general use amongst racing folk.
ie "He’s a proper horse" meaning, he’s very good, he’s the real deal, etc etc
You’ll find it used regularily in the RP Analysis of Irish Bumpers or Novice races, more often used to describe lightly raced animals than established horses admittedly.
My use of the term meant no slight whatsoever on any other trainer or jockey, I meant both the trainer and jockey concerned are of the quality and ability needed to win a major prize at a meeting like Cheltenham.Having just seen the way Galileo’s Choice won on totally unsuitable going, he’s starting to look like a banker for The Supreme, especially if Simonsig shows at Kelso that a longer trip will play to his strengths and is headed for The Neptune
CS, I wouldnt bother getting into a debate with this one, having recalled an earlier post, i believe said poster is barely out of short trousers, whilst clearly being able to articulate his/her thoughts, has not got the wealth of experience of someone like yourself to back up their opinion and is clearly not worthy of even mucking out your stable
J17Star
I don’t want to get into a spat with you, especially one you’ve started, but surely you’ve heard the word "proper" before, used in this context ?
It’s a discussion on the internet, hardly a spat.
I’ve heard it used before in similar context, doesn’t mean it makes any sense. Again, why is Weld proper relative to Nicholls, Mullins etc? I don’t get it. Under no definition of the word proper can i find any logical meaning in this. If you mean something genuine, real, then what do we classify the other named trainers? You mean the word best or better, which of course is also incorrect, given the majority of the names given are more successful National Hunt Trainers than Weld. Weld isn’t a better trainer than Nicholls, he simply excels in different aspects.
It’s an traditional term in racing terminology, possibly more common in Ireland but in general use amongst racing folk.
ie "He’s a proper horse" meaning, he’s very good, he’s the real deal, etc etc
You’ll find it used regularily in the RP Analysis of Irish Bumpers or Novice races, more often used to describe lightly raced animals than established horses admittedly.
My use of the term meant no slight whatsoever on any other trainer or jockey, I meant both the trainer and jockey concerned are of the quality and ability needed to win a major prize at a meeting like Cheltenham.Ok, but the description of Weld as proper in relation to the others seems ridiclous.
Of course the irony is you say the trainer and jockey are of the quality and ability needed to win a major prize at Cheltenham. So first we are given a list of redundant data, and now the reverse is attempted, despite his relatively poor Cheltenham record, especially relative to the other names given. This isn’t to say Weld isn’t a good trainer, he is, but your reasoning is fundamentally flawed.
It may come accross that i am a pedantic douchebag (which to be fair, is true), but it’s just too easy to pick holes and contradictions within your arguments
Having just seen the way Galileo’s Choice won on totally unsuitable going, he’s starting to look like a banker for The Supreme, especially if Simonsig shows at Kelso that a longer trip will play to his strengths and is headed for The Neptune
He is an interesting potential participant and i’d say he would definitely have a chance. Banker material he is not.
After putting up Magnanimity for the Gold Cup at 100s and the Hennessy at 20s, and constantly going on about how Weld is God when he hasn’t had a winner at the Festival since 1990, do you seriously wonder why I thought you were being serious?
And Tus Nua’s RPR is pathetic, she’ll do well to finish in the top 15 in the Champion Bumper.
So, our Supreme Novices’ Hurdle favourite Simonsig has achieved the following;
won an egg-and-spoon over 2m 4f, recording a topspeed figure of 82 and RPR of 130. Runner-up raced over 3m next time out and was beaten by 7 1/2L.
comprehensively outbattled by the Neptune favourite, a future 3m chaser who everybody with a brain realises should be running in the Albert Bartlett. Managed to record a topspeed figure of 40 this time.
beaten a 3-mile chaser (and not a very good one) in a 2m 2f hurdle.
In addition to this, bookmakers have managed to shorten up 8 of the top 9 in the betting in the space of 3 days.
I need to become a bookie.
Criminal (ironic name, if any lawyers are reading) Henderson said Geraghty is leaning towards further.
And Tus Nua’s RPR is pathetic, she’ll do well to finish in the top 15 in the Champion Bumper.
Makes me wonder why Jim Bolger wasted money entreing her in Group races this summer? Maybe like me, he too only takes a cursorary glance at RPRs.
Simonsig looks all over a Neptune horse to me…….Zarkava, you are welcome to say "What do you know" …… I fear his jumping today if repeated at Cheltenham, won’t stand up to the pace in The Supreme. Looks a very good horse, nevertheless
CS, I wouldnt bother getting into a debate with this arrogant little twerp, having recalled an earlier post, i believe said poster is barely out of short trousers, whilst clearly being able to articulate his/her thoughts, has not got the wealth of experience of someone like yourself to back up their opinion and is clearly not worthy of even mucking out your stable
Do i not meet requirements to join the boys club? I assume one’s opinion must be earned first. Balder Dash, i was hoping to drink brandy with the adults and discuss the fine filly on the TV.
I didn’t realise i was the one to re-join the forum, proclaiming my great return after my success endeavors, naturally telling all of my esteemed history and many excellent decisions of yesteryear. OH WAIT …
Let me know when my membership is approved, i’d dearly love to join!
CS, I wouldnt bother getting into a debate with this arrogant little twerp, having recalled an earlier post, i believe said poster is barely out of short trousers, whilst clearly being able to articulate his/her thoughts, has not got the wealth of experience of someone like yourself to back up their opinion and is clearly not worthy of even mucking out your stable
Do i not meet requirements to join the boys club? I assume one’s opinion must be earned first. Balder Dash, i was hoping to drink brandy with the adults and discuss the fine filly on the TV.
I didn’t realise i was the one to re-join the forum, proclaiming my great return after my success endeavors, naturally telling all of my esteemed history and many excellent decisions of yesteryear. OH WAIT …
Let me know when my membership is approved, i’d dearly love to join!
You attitude just smacks of a lack of respect to one and all.
You attitude just smacks of a lack of respect to one and all.
"has not got the wealth of experience of someone like yourself to back up their opinion and is clearly not worthy of even mucking out your stable "
Contradict yourself much?
I am a certified douchebag and have no issues with this, atleast i don’t have delusions of granduer like some. I mean how old and insecure can one be given the forementioned quote? And people wonder why there is a lack of youth participation in following the sport.
100% certain that Simonsig will run in the Neptune if you ask me. Barry rode the other 2 Supreme hopes LTO. Why else would he be leaning towards the Neptune with Simonsig?
Not to mention that it’s nearly 2 hours since Simonsig went 6/1 for the race in the aftermath of his racecourse gallop, and he’s just been matched at 15.5. No money waiting to lay and has drited 3 points in 20 minutes. He’s a non-runner, I’m certain of it.
last year both spirit son and al ferof went into this race on the back of devastating slaughters of lesser company. 24l and 15l victories. I am trying to find a horse who has done similar and set decent ratings.
I like Vulcanite as mentioned before and this took me to tetlami. He is for me the most impressive winner i have seen this year and i expect him to put up a bold bid. Especially now i think Geraghty will go for him.
After watching Galileos Choice i liked his hurdling especially when they quickened near the finish. I liked in his previous race he ran hard to try to catch the winner too. He has guts and class as pinted by CS. I am a bit worried by Welds record here but not enough to not cover him too.
I switched bets from Colour squad and MontB to Tetlami and Vulcan. I have to cover Galileo too and that will be my three for the race.
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