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  • #391311
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    Reasoning behind swaying to the Tetlami form is it is a decent enough trial and the two horses, him and Vulcanite are relatively unexposed.

    I got on just before the rush for pricewise. Can’t see how you can go for Vulcanite and not Tetlami Mr Segal.

    Just think this form line hasn’t got as many question marks. With the other horses they all seem to woop each other and take it in turns.

    I like midnight game i have to say ang again has avoided the bulk of this trashy messy deloitte form.

    Colour squadron has finished in tight finishes last two races and i would have wanted a bit of distance between some of them if he was to win this. I agree i’d like to see a go up in distance.

    Neptune looks a much better race.
    Monksland and FB.

    Please Mr Mullins send Bob to the Albert and we can all smash into that. Think he might with Sous les cieux looking like 2m4 being his optimum at this stage.

    #391317
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    Urgh, Montbazon horribly slow. Didn’t notice that.

    Colour Squadron’s run to RPR140 on all 3 starts over hurdles. His topspeed figure is ok, but I’d say he almost certainly needs a step-up in trip.

    Simonsig declared to run in the Morebattle Hurdle at Kelso tomorrow.

    Horribly slow? He’s a very good traveller who will cruise down the hill. I think it’s likely he might find one too good, but he’s my EW banker. Excellent form all over the place and how he’s a bigger price than Cinders and Ashes i’ll never know.

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    For all the crabbing of Steps to Freedom, he is unbeaten over hurdles, won a decent novice over C&D, beat Montbazon at Aintree in the champion bumper and most significantly Jessie H knows the time of day right down to the second when it comes to readying one for the festival. Wasnt my original fancy, as i have C&A at 20s EW and Simonsig at 14s, but Steps really does look the one to have the right credentials and least question marks. Sure holes can be picked in him whichever way you choose to look, but at 8s or 9s he still looks a pretty safe conveyance compared to some of the others.

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    For all the crabbing of Steps to Freedom, he is unbeaten over hurdles, won a decent novice over C&D, beat Montbazon at Aintree in the champion bumper and most significantly Jessie H knows the time of day right down to the second when it comes to readying one for the festival. Wasnt my original fancy, as i have C&A at 20s EW and Simonsig at 14s, but Steps really does look the one to have the right credentials and least question marks. Sure holes can be picked in him whichever way you choose to look, but at 8s or 9s he still looks a pretty safe conveyance compared to some of the others.

    The form with Prospect Wells doesn’t look too appealing.

    #391344
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    Urgh, Montbazon horribly slow. Didn’t notice that.

    Colour Squadron’s run to RPR140 on all 3 starts over hurdles. His topspeed figure is ok, but I’d say he almost certainly needs a step-up in trip.

    Simonsig declared to run in the Morebattle Hurdle at Kelso tomorrow.

    Horribly slow? He’s a very good traveller who will cruise down the hill. I think it’s likely he might find one too good, but he’s my EW banker. Excellent form all over the place and how he’s a bigger price than Cinders and Ashes i’ll never know.

    An EW banker in the Supreme Novices’ Hurdle. *Sigh*.

    Al Ferof
    Oscar’s Well
    Big Zeb
    Moscow Mannon
    Solix
    Grumeti
    De Boitron

    All pretty much certain to be placed IMO.

    £5EW with Hills returns £25k if they all place.

    #391351
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    Personally would have Simonsig over most of those.

    #391360
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    Is Zarkava in danger of agreeing with me here?

    Galileos Choice RPR 151 TS 137, Proper trainer, proper jockey Runs tomorrow on the wrong ground

    #391362
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    Only 149, his rating for tomorrow’s been adjusted to 12 stone.

    No, I don’t like the trainer.

    #391363
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    Zarkava, you sure are moody – you’re not French by any chance are you? ;-)

    #391365
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    Hehe, just direct ;) No point being polite on an internet messageboard. Just wastes time.

    #391373
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    Yes I guess so, it’s highly unlikely that you’ll ever meet one of us face to face! (god forbid!) lol.

    In terms of this race, it’s looking harder and harder to find the winner. Cash And Go disappointed at the weekend in what was a tough prep race before Cheltenham. MONTBAZON may have another prep run this month, but could be one for the future. Of those at the head of the Market, STEPS TO FREEDOM hasn’t raced for a while which is a negative as far as my criteria for this race is concerned. Not sure about Simonsig, only had the two runs and I doubt his scheduled run tomorrow will tell us much other than his wellbeing. I’ll be interested to see how DARLAN runs in the BH on Friday, unbeaten so far but has only faced modest opposition and has modest ratings, his owner does like a winner in this race though and has at least run at the course. He’s the one I’m leaning towards at the moment, but hard to be confident.

    #391384
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    Urgh, Montbazon horribly slow. Didn’t notice that.

    Colour Squadron’s run to RPR140 on all 3 starts over hurdles. His topspeed figure is ok, but I’d say he almost certainly needs a step-up in trip.

    Simonsig declared to run in the Morebattle Hurdle at Kelso tomorrow.

    Horribly slow? He’s a very good traveller who will cruise down the hill. I think it’s likely he might find one too good, but he’s my EW banker. Excellent form all over the place and how he’s a bigger price than Cinders and Ashes i’ll never know.

    An EW banker in the Supreme Novices’ Hurdle. *Sigh*.

    Al Ferof
    Oscar’s Well
    Big Zeb
    Moscow Mannon
    Solix
    Grumeti
    De Boitron

    All pretty much certain to be placed IMO.

    £5EW with Hills returns £25k if they all place.

    Al Ferof will likely be placed, although the betting for the Arkle is usually always much easier than the Supreme and locating a banker ew in that race isn’t exactly something to be proud of you. Well done, you spotted the obvious.

    Oscar’s Well is hardly a banker. He’s not beating the Fly, and there are several other horses in there who have similar or higher ability. He may be placed, but hardly a banker.

    Big Zeb will be placed at a short price in a dire renewal. Good job.

    I frankly don’t know enough in regards to the Bumper, and therefore cannot comment.

    Solix is a horse i really don’t like that much, and think has an exaulted reputation relative to what it should be. He’s not that good, he doesn’t jump that well and he’ll be running in a competitive race. No thanks.

    Grumeti i agree with, but i expect the price come the Triumph will be alot shorter.

    De Boitron, perhaps.

    I intend to back some of these horses EW, some not. I’d be amazed if all were placed.

    #391386
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    Is Zarkava in danger of agreeing with me here?

    Galileos Choice RPR 151 TS 137, Proper trainer, proper jockey Runs tomorrow on the wrong ground

    Proper Trainer, Proper jockey? Relative to what? This is so illogical it’s hilarious. He’s trained by a good trainer with a poor Cheltenham record. Nearly all the other leading protoganists for this race are trained by good trainers. Nicholls, Mullins, King, Henderon, O’Grady, Harrington, Hobbs etc etc etc are all excellent trainers who have numerous Festival wins. I get it, you like Weld. But the idea that he’s a "proper" (whatever the hell that means) trainer relative to the "others" ; i don’t know, i’d struggle to find a sentence with less actual meaning or contend.

    #391387
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    Tetlami’s price remains surprising big given that he has good form, Cheltenham form, is in good hands and has proven his wellbeing.
    16/1 readily available…I would confidently predict that Vulcanite will never get by him for a start and he looks a very decent novice himself.
    Simonsig as favourite is another puzzler for me…never tested over the minimum, ex-pointer and looked like a big, empty box when Fingal Bay got rolling at Sandown.
    I am still hoping for Geraghty for Tetlami so Simonsig probably needs to disappoint a bit tomorrow at Kelso….the Morebattle should be interesting as he has a bit to do on figures. However 18f and a monumental run-in on sticky ground probably won’t tell us much (positive) about his his chance in the Supreme.

    #391393
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    Rich – Steps to Freedom runs at Dundalk Friday.

    #391395
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    Al Ferof will likely be placed, although the betting for the Arkle is usually always much easier than the Supreme and locating a banker ew in that race isn’t exactly something to be proud of you. Well done, you spotted the obvious.

    I thought we’re supposed to be trying to win money? Isn’t that why we’re posting on here?

    Oscar’s Well is hardly a banker. He’s not beating the Fly, and there are several other horses in there who have similar or higher ability. He may be placed, but hardly a banker.

    Who is going to beat ‘The Fly’? For my money Oscars Well won the Neptune last year and is by a street the best horse of those 4 from last year. Every single tiny bit of analysis I’ve done on that race points to him as being the best by a street. He’s been running on soft ground all season and needs a sounder surface. Harrington doesn’t mess around when she puts her horses into Festival Grade 1s and her record is fantastic. He stays further and at least we know he’s a reliable horse who’s going to run his race. But for slipping after jumping the last last year, he’d have finished in the top 3 for every single start over timber.

    He’ll beat Binocular, he’ll beat Rock on Ruby, he’ll beat Brampour, he’ll beat Overturn. Needs to beat Zarkandar or Grandouet for a place.

    Big Zeb will be placed at a short price in a dire renewal. Good job.

    Thank you

    Solix is a horse i really don’t like that much, and think has an exaulted reputation relative to what it should be. He’s not that good, he doesn’t jump that well and he’ll be running in a competitive race. No thanks.

    First you criticise me for going for obvious options in small fields, now you’re criticising me for going for value in a big field! Solix can jump. He didn’t jump for the first half of the Dipper. He jumped superbly for the second half. He was also giving away 3lbs to most of the field, had had 2 fewer runs over fences, it was his first time in a competitive chase and he’s a year younger. Clearly wasn’t fit either since he ran in 2 egg-and-spoon races whereas his conqueror had been running in fairly hot chases over 3m.

    If you want to go for the favourite who’s half the price of Solix, might not even be turning up, possibly being forced into the Jewson because of Gigginstown’s strong hand in the RSA and after the pretty poor performance he put in the other day against a 4-miler, be my guest.

    Cristal Bonus’ price is based on a wide-margin win on heavy ground & For Non Stop doesn’t win races. So of the top 9 in the betting, I happen to think Solix is the most reliable and best betting prospect.

    I intend to back some of these horses EW, some not. I’d be amazed if all were placed.

    That’s why it’s a 5000/1 shot.

    I don’t bet each-way, never. Betting in each-way singles on horses like Al Ferof and Big Zeb is a good way to become poor quickly IMO. You stake £20EW on Big Zeb at 5s, comes 3rd, you collect £50. Great, you backed a 1/4 shot. But a fiver each-way on 4 or 5 selective horses and you can pick up some nice returns. I’d rather do that than be forced into picking a selection in the Cross-Country, NH Chase, Pertemps Hurdle or Foxhunters’ Chase because the placepot dictates that’s what I need to do.

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    Almost no money waiting to be laid for Darlan in the Supreme. Just £5 at 17. By far the weakest of the top 13 in the market.

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