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    value31
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    There is a very simple way to get more money into racing. In addition, the NHS could greatly benefit; we could also have more policemen to keep us safe.

    As a country we waste £2 billion doling out statins together with their associated health checks. Twenty-five years ago I developed a massive rash the doctors said was a fungal infection. It turned out to be a reaction to statins. I haven’t taken them since.

    A few years ago a very interesting book came out: THE GREAT CHOLESTEROL CON by Dr Malcolm Kenrick. (Available from Amazon, just Google it). In this book, I learned:

    There is no such thing as good and bad cholesterol.
    Our bodies produce cholesterol because we need it for our brain to function properly. In addition cholesterol converts sunlight into vitamin C.
    The life expectancy for a male is identical whether or not he takes statins or not. A female not taking statins has a longer life expectancy.
    There are many adverse side effects, including muscle weakness (doctors put down to old age) and many others that doctors put down to imagination.

    So read the above book and STOP taking statins. You will save the country a fortune.

    #1753769
    homersimpson
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    Don’t take them but my dad did.

    Not sure why he came off them but a few weeks after stopping he could ride his bike much easier than when he was on them. He then found out about the muscle weakness and put it down to that.

    #1753790
    Louise12
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    My mother is in her 90s, and her doctor recently suggested she take statins. She refused. Her cholesterol level (‘bad’, presumably) was 3. I’ve also read Kendrick’s books, but we had not discussed – mainly because it never occurred to me that they would put a healthy woman of that age on such a drug. There you go…

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    Avatar photoDrone
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    Probably just a typo but sunlight produces vitamin D, not vitamin C which is obtained by consuming fruits and vegetables

    Due to the part played by cholesterols in vitamin D synthesis exposure to sunlight also affects the amount of LDL and HDL types in the body, possibly helping to keep the ratio in healthy proportion

    Sunlight is good for you. In summer around 30 minutes exposure a day to bare arms and face is sufficient to maintain correct vitamin D levels, so only slap on the sunscreen after that time, not before leaving the house

    The winter sun is not strong enough to do the work which is why it’s advisable to take vitamin D supplements then

    Largely agree about statins, though they’re probably useful in those whose cholesterol types are badly out of balance

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    The Racing Forum medical school is now open; ‘Britain is tired of listening to experts.’

    #1753874
    moehat
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    Pre pandemic I did a health check and was told my bad cholesterol was too high but the fact that I went to the gym several times a week counteracted it. I then had a b/t a few months ago as I may need a knee replacement soon and was told again that it was too high and the doctor wanted me to take statins as I no longer go to the gym and my age makes it more dangerous.Told him I was in enough pain with my knee and didn’t want statin pain on top of it to which he replied but that’s different as it’s muscle pain. I know people that had to come off them because of muscle pain which still hasn’t gone away. I’ve changed my diet and am taking plant sterols so it will be interesting to see what happens when I have my next b/t. I don’t like the thought of taking something for one problem that will then affect your whole body ( feel the same about omeprazole). The report that came out the other day said there was no link with statins and brain fog etc. But it didn’t mention muscle pain at all.

    #1753878
    nwalton
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    I was borderline cholesterol put me statins lasted a fortnight awful mouth infections,so now I am fatter but can taste my food :wacko:
    Can’t do all boxing fitness due to my dementia but god knows why they wanted me on these things

    #1753881
    value31
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    The problem we have is that the drug companies commission research, so the conclusions may be doubtful. Read the Dr Kendrick book. Statins definitely have an adverse effect on our brain as without cholesterol the brain could not function. Obviously if our cholesterol were
    too low the brain would not function properly.

    In the early 1970’s I worked next to the Tobacco Research Laboratories. They put out a report that mice who smoked 20 cigarettes a day lived for two years while mice who didn’t smoke also lived for twu years. The conclusion was smoking could not harm your health. It took ten years to prove this wrong.

    My original observations are from Dr Kendrick’s book. My concern is the money we are wasting.

    #1753882
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    If you are serious about investigating this topic, research the reputable peer-reviewed medical journals (esp the British Medical Journal, the Lancet, and the New England Journal of medicine).

    #1753906
    Avatar photoDrone
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    My original observations are from Dr Kendrick’s book

    Was the reference in your opening post to sunlight producing vitamin C simply an error as I imagined or does Dr Kendrick actually believe this?

    I’m all for reading and considering alternatives to received wisdom but lone outliers aren’t necessarily right

    Confirmation Bias is a strong emotion

    #1753911
    Johnt4124
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    It can only be a mistake as Dr Kendrick is a great believer in vitamin D. Vitamin C is not produced by sunlight on the skin; it must be obtained through diet or topical application. The skin cannot synthesize vitamin C, and sunlight does not trigger its production.

    Dr Kendrick has spent many years researching heart disease and is very much against the use of statins.

    #1753915
    value31
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    Stating vitamin C rather than vitamin D was MY error. Befair, I believe you should actually read Dr Kenrick’s book. He demonstrates why and how the perceived wisdom is false.

    I have no problem with those who want to take statins actually taking them. What I object to is all doctors being encouraged to ram them down eveyone’s throats.

    The latest research is even worse. This suggests that statins are even safer and leaflets showing possible side effects should be deleted. Obviosly the drug companues are waking up to the fact that Dr Kendrick is not a lone outlier. Like tobacco the truth will suface eventually.

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    Avatar photoWilts
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    Been on a daily dose of Atrovastatin for 20 months now.
    A full health check at my GP’s surgery showed healthy cholesterol levels BUT
    A high level of Triglycerides.

    This is more dangerous (than the cholesterol issue) so am ok with my statin prescription.
    High triglycerides contribute to the hardening or thickening of artery walls (arteriosclerosis), increasing the risk of heart attack, stroke, and cardiovascular disease.

    Once i’d been on them for 3 months i had all the blood/liver tests again and the statins had done their job.

    Importantly, i’d only really modified my diet and alcohol intake, by a little, so my conclusion is that the daily dose is doing its job.

    I had the blood tests, as a review, only 4 weeks ago (along with reg PSA), and lipod levels, liver, cholesterol, triglycerides are at ‘normal’ levels. Next set of review tests scheduled for 6 months time.

    Side effects? Havent really noticed any, either in first few weeks of taking them OR 20 months on.

    I have no issue with the general NHS policy to administer these, BUT for the over 50s to carry on, as if all is ok with their health, because no visible signs of poss health probs is naive imho.
    I’m 5ft 9in and weigh just under 13st. I’m not visibly ‘unfit’ i.e. very little fat on ‘the outside’ BUT i’m also savvy enough to know my arteries may not be great.
    Everyone over 50 should seek a regular health check at their GPs; it’s a decent indicator of likely blood pressure issues, liver issues, and, YES, triglycerides issues.

    I dont dispute Kendricks views, far from it, BUT conspiracy theorists and Big Pharma sceptics, latch on to anything that disputes effectiveness of meds and/or vaccination progs.

    #1754957
    value31
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    Wilts,

    For some reason doctors seem intent on scaring us to death. I suggest you read chapter 3 of Dr Malcolm Kendrick’ book ‘THE GREAT CHOLESTEROL CON.

    In this chapter he explains what TRIGLYCERIDES are and what they do in the body. He writes, “Some of you may even have been informed as to your triglyceride level (this is a relatively new thing to worry people with).

    Dr Kendrick proves there is nothing to worry about regarding triglycerides; our bodies deal with these effectively.

    So stop worrying, stop taking pills (if you are) and enjoy a stress free life.

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