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    FinalFurlong91
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    That desert hero was able to come from the back in a slowly run race suggests he has a good turn of foot

    Which makes it very possible that he won’t stay the 1m6 1/2f strongly enough to win

    The frankie factor with the casual Saturday punters seems to be driving down the price of arrest. Similar happened with him in the Derby and Chaldean in the guineas. Drifts on the Friday then gets backed in on the Saturday.

    #1663201
    MTOTO88
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    GT – Do you think that Arrest is still a value bet at 9/2? Are you worried by the drift of Desert Hero out to 15/2+?

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    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    Desert Hero not staying is a possibility FF. If the Gordon was the only evidence we have then it would be a distinct possibility. But the further he went at Royal Ascot the better he looked and fact he relaxes so well in his 12f races – for me – suggests he should get this trip.

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    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    Yes, I do think both Arrest and Desert Hero are still value. However, I may change my mind after the times of the first two races are known. Although the round course is probably softer than the straight course; if times suggest it’s good on the straight then it’ll probably be only good-soft on the round.

    With Desert Hero Good ground may well even help, as it won’t tax his stamina as much. So if the first two races come within three quarters of a second of Racing Post standard you might want to change to just an EW bet on Desert Hero.

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    #1663226
    Mike007
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    Desert Hero very recently got given a Melbourne Cup entry. It’s perfectly possible he’ll stay this far.

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    Avatar photoRefuse To Bend
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    77% of the field come from two stables and as Johnny Murtagh said, when you ride for Coolmore at least you know how the race would be run.

    The more I know the less I understand.

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    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    I’m in the continuous camp but I have tickled Alexandrouplus e.w , I’ve a feeling they’ll be a big prices horse in the 3 and while needing to improve he,s the unexposed horse

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    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    Judged from the Flying Childers and Scotsman compared to today’s Portland handicap time ,it isn’t much quicker than yesterday.

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    #1663288
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    Charlie boy is there to see his horse run

    #1663291
    greenasgrass
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    I think it’s worth looking at sires with good results on soft ground. I think the Nathaniels (Chesspiece) like a bit of dig, Sea the Stars often not bad (Desert Hero) and perhaps most of all the Camelots.

    I liked O’Brien’s affectionate description of Denmark as a big bold baby but couldn’t trust him to get his head down and fight it out (although perhaps he will let down a bit better today).

    So that leaves me with Alexandrupolis. No problem with the trip on breeding, the stable like him, should come on a ton for his pipe opener and he’s my selection at 40s ew.

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    LD73
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    Looks quite loose on top up the straight but outside the Champagne Stakes, the times suggest that it is somewhere between good and good to soft (maybe more closer to the good side) but who knows how soft the round course will still be.

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    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    Hope the King being in the paddock doesn’t gee up the crowd and in turn the horses.

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    Avatar photoBigG
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    Godolphin horses have been so poor I normally wouldn’t touch them.
    If Chesspiece was trained by Appleby I’d have left well alone there
    surely must be a prblem in the yard. However Chesspiece is trained
    by Simon and Ed Crisford and ran Desert Hero to a neck last time out.
    Desert Hero is 6/1 whilst Chesspiece is 16/1. I reckon he’s overpriced
    and well worth an e/w at least.

    #1663298
    Avatar photosporting sam
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    Desert hero
    Each way
    Has the profile and the right jockey in the saddle

    #1663299
    Mike007
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    Get in!

    #1663300
    greenasgrass
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    Well done everyone on- Ryan rarely picks the wrong one.

    #1663301
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    Very impressive , put it to bed in 3 or 4 strides

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