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Good performance from continuous
Stayed the trip nicely
Arrest pulled his chance away, was keen all the way round
Continuous won as well as Timeform ratings said he would. 5 lb clear I believe.
tbh I was sceptical of the Voltigeur form, as the others just went too quick early at York. However, Timeform have many many stats and can rate horses on time alone.Value Is EverythingBallydoyle cleaning house.
Continuous far too good as his form with King of Steel suggested.
FF1 – agreed it didn’t help but if you watch Ryan he was also having his arms pulled out as well so both horses should be given credit.
To me Arrest when he is asked to quicken his legs seem to go in all different directions and Frankie was constantly having to change his hand and grab a hold of him.
That being said I think the winner is a quite a bit better than this lot and I wonder whether the Arc comes into consideration now as he has won on very soft in France and I don’t think dropping back to 12F would be an issue.
Fair play to the winner. I was not convinced about his stamina but he saw it out well.
Arrest ran OK but he is basically a plodder whereas Coninuous has a bit more gears and class.
“I wonder whether the Arc comes into consideration now.”
St Leger winners have a dire record in it. I would not fancy him at all, especially after a Leger run on much softer ground than usual.
But he looks far from the typical St Leger winner and I would suggest he has a lot more speed and thus a better chance than Savethelastdance who is (I think) the highest of O’Brien’s horse in the ante post list.
Arrest still has some scope for improvement given his size. If he can handle trips abroad maybe looking for proper soft and heavy ground next year at 12 to 15f, wherever they can get it. Especially where there is a maximum of one other prominent runner. For me, he settles better with a view of the front. Not necessarily in front but with a clear view on the arrowhead. However, Continuous won so easily here it wouldn’t have made any difference to the result even had Arrest settled better.
Desert Hero – sweated but that’s just him – probably ran to his best. Just didn’t improve any more than a pound or two. Can’t say he didn’t stay because only got third close home.
Gregory and Middle Earth did not run to their bests on that ground. Wouldn’t dismiss their chances of making into high class stayers. Gregory did have a very hard race in the Voltigeur too.
Love to see Continuous go for the Arc. The way he went through the race coming back to 12f should not be a problem. Doubt he’ll stay the Gold Cup trip next year.
Value Is EverythingThat has been said about other Leger winners, LD. There is no getting away from the fact it is a terrible prep for the Arc. He has probably had a harder race than it looks as well.
Didn’t the last horse to run in the Leger and then win the Arc have a Royal horse in the Donny first three?
Continuous may not recover in time. Noticed over the years that when a horse comes out quickly they fail more when the first race’s going is on the soft side.
However, be good to see him try. Many have run well in the race without winning and one will win it eventually.
Value Is Everything“I wonder whether the Arc comes into consideration now.”
“St Leger winners have a dire record in it. I would not fancy him at all, especially after a Leger run on much softer ground than usual.”
AOB didnt completely rule it out on ITV in post-race interview.
I got the impression that Ballydoyle will see how Continuous ‘comes out’ of the St Leger, in next few days.
If all seems well they may go for it.Skeptical of the volt form is putting it lightly ginge lol, continuous would have been aswell being a sloth with your assessment of the “form”
Miles best, slightly kicking myself for not atleast saving on him, he was miles the best in the volt and i was 100% certain gregory could not and would not finish infront of him, theres was some nice match bets made but still, should have been less cute on the race with CP
Clearly it depends on how he comes out of this race as to whether he goes but these are the horses O’Brien has in the Arc (in betting order):
Savethelastdance (needs monsoon conditions and even then still might not be good enough)
Auguste Rodin (needs fast ground apparently and is probably straight off to BC Turf)
Luxembourg (admirable but fully exposed, lost in last year’s swamp and clearly held on KG run)
Paddington (the less said the better)
Emily Dickinson (stayer that last ran over 12F in last season’s Ascot Fillies & Mares Stakes).To me he should go if he is ok – yes strictly on the book (through King of Steel) he has a lot to find on Hukum/Westover but one could argue he has improved a lot since the King Edward VII Stakes run and I think he has (at least) an equal if not better chance than the aforementioned stable mates.
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