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I do not know what authority you have Kingfisher for the proposition that STY does not like fast ground. His only run on soft he lost and otherwise his runs have been on good to soft or good ground.
Nothing in that to suggest this fellow will not like a rattle in the ground, and in any event he hacked up on top of the ground at the weekend.
I am all for arbitrary opinions but they will not cut up in a debate if you fail to back them up with evidence
Just my opinion Admiral but i got the impression the ground wasn’t as firm as the official going suggested yesterday but what concerns me more about your superstar is the fact that the time of the race was the 2nd slowest of the day and that the winner of the last race
Casbah Rock
rated a mere 65 would have won the Moorebridge too beating 100 rated animals.I cant see one piece of his form that will get him near the likes of
Workforce
,worlds apart in fact.I look forward to seeing him quicken off a European Group 1 pace.
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As mentioned earlier about AOB’s high opinion of SYT,in this mornings press Tom Magnier was quoted as saying that AOB told him after the race that SYT is probably the best horse he has trained.Enough said.
I cant see one piece of his form that will get him near the likes of
Workforce
,worlds apart in fact.I look forward to seeing him quicken off a European Group 1 pace.
Disregarding all Australian form and Australian racing in general as you have does put some question marks over So You Think, but not many. And I’m not sure why you would be so dismissive of such a large and well-regarded racing jurisdiction.
European horses rarely run in the Cox Plate, let alone the other G1 races he won handsomely, making it hard to draw European form lines. The only link to European form is the Melbourne Cup, in which he ran 3rd after overracing.But even disregarding Australian form as you have, the facts are:
– So You Think won his first Cox Plate before he technically turned 3
– So You Think ran a good 3rd in the Melbourne Cup where he overraced (over 2 miles); before that, he hadn’t raced over 10f. The fact that a dominant 10f horse went so close (with legitimate excuses) in a TOP class staying race says a lot about the horse
– Bart Cummings calls So You Think the best he’s ever trained, and Aidan O’Brien is very excited about the horseSo even if you see Australia form as the equivalent of Italian outside of the Melbourne Cup, there are things that would make someone reasonable hesitate before declaring that Workforce would have his measure.
As mentioned earlier about AOB’s high opinion of SYT,in this mornings press Tom Magnier was quoted as saying that AOB told him after the race that SYT is probably the best horse he has trained.Enough said.
Sorry, is that the best horse since last week? Does he have "amazing speed" and also record 9 second furlongs then?
Point is – we’ve heard this all before in various forms. O’Brien is probably the world leader in hype.
For example, take Rip Van Winkle’s section on the Coolmore website.
"He’s the most natural athlete we’ve ever had." Trainer, Aidan O’Brien
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As mentioned earlier about AOB’s high opinion of SYT,in this mornings press Tom Magnier was quoted as saying that AOB told him after the race that SYT is probably the best horse he has trained.Enough said.
Sorry, is that the best horse since last week? Does he have "amazing speed" and also record 9 second furlongs then?
Point is – we’ve heard this all before in various forms. O’Brien is probably the world leader in hype.
For example, take Rip Van Winkle’s section on the Coolmore website.
"He’s the most natural athlete we’ve ever had." Trainer, Aidan O’Brien
[/quot Well just sit back and watch a great horse that So You Think is in the oncoming weeks. And Bart Cummings said the same thing,you may have heard of him! Listen it is a myth that Australia only has good sprinters,Australia have had their fair share of world class middle distance horses over the years its just that they havn’t travelled.Probably the last great Aussie horse to travel was Better Loosen Up,won the Japan Cup in 1990.Long gone are the days where Europe is the only measuring stick my friend.
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As mentioned earlier about AOB’s high opinion of SYT,in this mornings press Tom Magnier was quoted as saying that AOB told him after the race that SYT is probably the best horse he has trained.Enough said.
Sorry, is that the best horse since last week? Does he have "amazing speed" and also record 9 second furlongs then?
Point is – we’ve heard this all before in various forms. O’Brien is probably the world leader in hype.
For example, take Rip Van Winkle’s section on the Coolmore website.
"He’s the most natural athlete we’ve ever had." Trainer, Aidan O’Brien
And where did you get this 9 second furlong rubbish from? That is not possible!
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A gallop pre-Golden Jubilee, did the 2nd last furlong in 9.x seconds. Apparently.
I think the same friend of mine who bought a few fake Rolex watches at a Beijing market must have brought that stop watch back! Any idea where the rocket was inserted:) Seriously that is like saying that Usain Bolt can run the 100 in 8 seconds, absolutely impossible.
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Even though he’s run close-up in a 2 Miler, I’d suggest SYT might still come up shy of the stamina for a properly run King George. The Melboune Cup is usually run at a stop-start pace on a much less testing track than Ascot, and it’s a fact that, of the British and Irish horses that have run in the race, the 12/14f horses have fared markedly better than the genuine stayers. Maybe it’s the slower surfaces, the stiffer tracks, or simply the pace of the races, but this phenomenon of Australian horses not staying as far on British courses has been upheld time and time again by their sprinters, and it’s likely to be accentuated over further.
It also might be worth recalling that Rip Van Winkle was beaten by less (2l) in our Derby than SYT was in the MC, but never ran over the trip again, and his trainer held the firm view that he was best at 4f shorter.
SYT may well clean up over 10f, his form suggests he has a lot of class and speed at that distance, but the King George is a different kettle of fish to anything he’s ever tackled, and I wouldn’t be taking any short prices for him winning it, regardless of what he does over 10f in the meanwhile.- Total Posts 17716
Even though he’s run close-up in a 2 Miler, I’d suggest SYT might still come up shy of the stamina for a properly run King George. The Melboune Cup is usually run at a stop-start pace on a much less testing track than Ascot, and it’s a fact that, of the British and Irish horses that have run in the race, the 12/14f horses have fared markedly better than the genuine stayers. Maybe it’s the slower surfaces, the stiffer tracks, or simply the pace of the races, but this phenomenon of Australian horses not staying as far on British courses has been upheld time and time again by their sprinters, and it’s likely to be accentuated over further.
It also might be worth recalling that Rip Van Winkle was beaten by less (2l) in our Derby than SYT was in the MC, but never ran over the trip again, and his trainer held the firm view that he was best at 4f shorter.
SYT may well clean up over 10f, his form suggests he has a lot of class and speed at that distance, but the King George is a different kettle of fish to anything he’s ever tackled, and I wouldn’t be taking any short prices for him winning it, regardless of what he does over 10f in the meanwhile.Here we go again! Some people on here hate to admit that an Australian horse might be that good,so the Aussie sprinters failed time and time again in the 6f sprints,rather then say they have won the kings stand time and time again! You think the quick back up may have been against most after the 20 hours flying time? You always insinuate that the Aussie horses lack guts,SYT will run the trip out on his ear,make sure you you have the guts to say i was wrong when he does!I could say your stayers failed time and time again in the Melb Cup apart from 2 horses.
And where did you get this 9 second furlong rubbish from? That is not possible!
If only Aidan allowed
Rip Van Winkle
to show it in a July Cup! Me having backed him at 10/1 to do so.Shattered1 i love your support of
So you Think
but we cant gauge anything from that non event at the Curragh the other day other than he looked like there was still plenty to work on and you can bet your bottom dollar Aidan will have him cherry ripe for whatever target he chooses,he did much the same with
Starspangledbanner
last year.If he does prove to be a Group 1 winner here i will be the first to say i was wrong,not for the first time either.
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And where did you get this 9 second furlong rubbish from? That is not possible!
If only Aidan allowed
Rip Van Winkle
to show it in a July Cup! Me having backed him at 10/1 to do so.Shattered1 i love your support of
So you Think
but we cant gauge anything from that non event at the Curragh the other day other than he looked like there was still plenty to work on and you can bet your bottom dollar Aidan will have him cherry ripe for whatever target he chooses,he did much the same with
Starspangledbanner
last year.If he does prove to be a Group 1 winner here i will be the first to say i was wrong,not for the first time either.
Fair enough Kingfisher and i agree the field he beat at the Curragh is no gauge,though his spring carnival form for me was the catylyst.It is odd at the moment that there were 2 superstars from here that have done things here that put them at another level.Strange that the last time this happened was about 31 or 32 years ago with Kingston Town and Manikato both racing at the same time.And yes AOB is a top class trainer who will have him right.I did read a couple of posts a while ago that suggested that AOB had improved Starspangledbanner markedly,i think that was a bit harsh on Leon Corstens his previous trainer though,his previous 4 runs before heading to Ireland were 2 group 1 wins one group 1 3rd and one group 1 4th.
I have no doubt he will be the best horse he has ever said and will prove it over the season.
He will many Group 1s and will win them easily by the sounds of the words coming from Ballydoyle. This hype is different to the normal 3yr old colt hype that he gives.
Well just sit back and watch a great horse that So You Think is in the oncoming weeks. And Bart Cummings said the same thing,you may have heard of him! Listen it is a myth that Australia only has good sprinters,Australia have had their fair share of world class middle distance horses over the years its just that they havn’t travelled.Probably the last great Aussie horse to travel was Better Loosen Up,won the Japan Cup in 1990.Long gone are the days where Europe is the only measuring stick my friend.
Shattered, I’m more than happy to sit back and watch So You Think. I’ve watched every race of his since the Gloaming Stakes on TV here. I’m not doubting the horse, but the significance of any O’Brien quotes.
And, yes, he did deliver the 9 second line for Starspangledbanner.
http://www.francetudiant.com/videos/?v=8DcKvFlA_GE
I wouldn’t say it’s impossible. The Green Monkey did one in 9.4.
“Unbelievable,” winning trainer Aidan O’Brien told Racing Post. “Before York, he was only doing half-speeds but his half-speeds were amazing. His work has been incredible.
"His last furlong in his last work was just outside 9 1/2 seconds, which we have never seen before. He’s the fastest horse we have had, and the [Darley] July Cup (Eng-G1) is the plan.”
So You Think very impressive on Monday, but have clocked him at a modest 71++ time figure, plenty to do to challenge the likes of Workforce.
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