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“Blair and brown despaired of his lack of imagination”
The above is their opinion (or even “spin” – the notion he might have been more capable than them wouldn’t suit their agendas) not fact.
Yes, it can be naive to aftertime positively about the deceased.
But it can be equally naive to aftertime negatively about them as well.
The truth is we will never know either way for sure – but aftertimers aren’t wired in a way that enables them to acknowledge that.
I’m sure you and I are above all that aftertiming nonsense, Clive!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"That’s nonsense
Their view was that when it came to campaigning and policies he would be tired old machine labour politics and voters would start to shy away. He was undoubtedly clever (bit arrogant apparently too) but unimaginative
They thought that well before his death and there is no doubt that the reshaping of labour won 1997
“I’m sure you and I are above all that aftertiming nonsense, Clive!”
I’m now less sure than I was ten minutes ago!
Acknowledging Smith might have been a better PM than them would tarnish their place in history and sense of their own importance.
Labour did well in opinion polls under Smith and the 97 margin of victory was so great I think Labour might have just about still won even with you as leader, Clive.
But you can’t see that – no worries.
Though I sense you won’t agree to disagree in a similarly-relaxed manner.
I’m sure I need to be told I’m writing nonsense a few more times!
Forums, eh?
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"You cant say that brown and blair would have been insignificant in that cabinet even with rab c Nesbitt as pm
Fair play, that was a trademark witty riposte.
I’m at Larkhill so need to focus on that but I take your point plus Smith couldn’t have been PM for 13 years – he’d have been ancient by 2010.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I’m stuck at home after three days of gastroenteritis. So not in best mood
******* nightmare.
I have little to no time for the honours system or Royal Family these days so I’m not going to get too upset about it.
I wasn’t a huge fan of the Tone and Dubya double act at the time but given the even more woeful standard of politician that has come along since I’m somewhat nostalgic for it now.
The problem with May is I always thought she trying to Thatcher mk2 , she obv wasn’t helped by having Boris scheming behind her
…As opposed to me, a Tory, a “selfish ******”?
Socialism is in theory a good idea that does not work in practice.
Tony Blair realised this and as a result was a good leader from the centre ground… bar Iraq.
That said, what is often forgotten is had Hussain let the UN look for WMDs in his country without interference, there’d have been no need for anyone to even threaten war. There was no need for Hussain to refuse those looking, but he did… And added to that Hussain had already used them against his own people. So even without the made up evidence the evidence did suggest he had WMDs. Yes, those in power probably and wrongly exaggerated that evidence.However, without the war… suspect had Saddam Hussain used WMD on his own people again – this time in a more severe way… and also against his neighbours… Some of those socialists so against the war would’ve been the first to criticise Blair for “allowing Hussain’s crimes”.
Blair was a leader when there was plenty of money all over the world and was greatly advantaged by that fact. However, did a fair job. Yes he made a mistake with Iraq, but no leader makes no mistakes.
Yes he should get the “Sir”.
Value Is Everything“ Socialism is in theory a good idea that does not work in practice.”
And capitalism does?
Is that why you have wages being topped up by benefits, people in full-time employment having to rely on food banks, millions of children in this country alone living in poverty and an ever-widening gap between the rich and poor?
Great system. 👍
I will not link here in case it breaches forum rules but there is a petition on Change.org asking for Blair’s knighthood to be revoked.
I doubt it will make the slightest difference but at least it is a way of formally recording your objection if you want to.
It is up to about 250,000 signatures now. When I signed this morning it was 120,000, so it has more than doubled in a few hours.
What has happened to the “quote” facility and the alternative fonts etc.?
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysA fair job you say, then
give him a goldfish and some Candy floss and send him and his wife along to a certain a flipper party at a certain palace and give them five year underwaterworld pass at her Majesty’s pleasure.“Might we call you Lizzie Maam ?”
SLAP SLAP
“I am not amused, you are both in the wrong BAATH !”
I think the problem is we want people to be aspirational and people don’t equate socialism with that. I do tend to have a problem with the fact that I’m quite happy to be worse off if it makes for a more fair society but the people I worry about often seem to vote Conservative. Not that I am well off these days, retirement and being divorced means that I’m not in the same financial position now that most of my peer group are.
“aspirational” – this word from Moehat, I would suggest, is at the root of much of what has happened in British politics in our lifetimes.
I once said to Simon Kelner, Editor of The Independent: “Why does the property page focus on houses virtually none of the readers could ever afford?”
“It’s an aspirational thing, isn’t it?” was his frank and honest reply.
Why do at least a third of working class people vote Tory when they hardly pay any tax, cannot afford private healthcare and are heavily dependent on the NHS when ill?
Because they refuse to identify themselves as working class – they “aspire” to being middle class.
“Aspiration” is what makes poor people vote for political Parties who only look after wealthy people.
Moehat: nail….on….head.
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