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  • #25723
    Avatar photoRedRum77
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    Looking at the head on from Channel 4, the winner (Lord Winderemere ) took the ground of the runner up (On His Own) and yes On His Own may or may not have passed Lord Winderemere if he ran in a straight line. However he must be given the doubt.

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    Should the placings be reversed?

    Under my rules, Yes.

    Under how the existing rules are written, Yes.

    Under how the existing rules are always interpreted by stewards, No.

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    #471821
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    Looking at the head on from Channel 4, the winner (Lord Winderemere ) took the ground of the runner up (On His Own) and yes On His Own may or may not have passed Lord Winderemere if he ran in a straight line. However he must be given the doubt.

    The winner is always given the doubt. This was always going to be a close decision. If I had backed On His Own I would have felt a bit bad about it but, as I had had a small EW on the winner, I’m highly delighted.

    #471844
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    No way. Yes, he drifted over, but I’ve seen much worse interference than that and the placings haven’t been altered. Maybe in a flat race they would have been reversed, but not a jumps race.

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    No chance, surprised an enquiry was called.
    Sky Lantern v Elusive Kate was 1000 times worse.
    What more could Davy have done the whip was in the correct hand.
    Bobsworth was all over the place, the horses were tired. I don’t think Windermere stopped On His Own from passing plenty of space if good enough.

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    Should the placings be reversed?

    Under how the existing rules are always interpreted by stewards, No.

    And I think this is a good thing.

    As a punter, I am hugely more annoyed to lose a race in the stewards room than I am pleased to win one there when I’ve been beaten. Unless something pretty extreme has happened, I am always happy to see the first past the post be called the winner.

    Whilst this may very occasionally lead to an injustice – and there

    may

    have been one in this case (although some of the responses above show that it’s impossible to get a consensus on such matters) – I much prefer the certainty of the horse in front getting the race than the associated guesswork that needs to be applied to promote beaten horses.

    Compared to other countries, this is one rule I genuinely believe the UK has spot on.

    Mike

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    Should the placings be reversed?

    Under how the existing rules are always interpreted by stewards, No.

    And I think this is a good thing.

    As a punter, I am hugely more annoyed to lose a race in the stewards room than I am pleased to win one there when I’ve been beaten. Unless something pretty extreme has happened, I am always happy to see the first past the post be called the winner.

    Whilst this may very occasionally lead to an injustice – and there

    may

    have been one in this case (although some of the responses above show that it’s impossible to get a consensus on such matters) – I much prefer the certainty of the horse in front getting the race than the associated guesswork that needs to be applied to promote beaten horses.

    Compared to other countries, this is one rule I genuinely believe the UK has spot on.

    Mike

    Surely as a punter, Bookmakers pay on double result, do they :?

    Plus you can always do as Phil Bull did and back first past the post.

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    Correct decision, well done stewards. There was minimal interference and even then you couldn’t be sure that it affected the result.

    To have changed the result would have left a sour taste on a fantastic day’s racing.

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    Should the placings be reversed?

    Under how the existing rules are always interpreted by stewards, No.

    And I think this is a good thing.

    As a punter, I am hugely more annoyed to lose a race in the stewards room than I am pleased to win one there when I’ve been beaten. Unless something pretty extreme has happened, I am always happy to see the first past the post be called the winner.

    Whilst this may very occasionally lead to an injustice – and there

    may

    have been one in this case (although some of the responses above show that it’s impossible to get a consensus on such matters) – I much prefer the certainty of the horse in front getting the race than the associated guesswork that needs to be applied to promote beaten horses.

    Compared to other countries, this is one rule I genuinely believe the UK has spot on.

    Mike

    Yes without a doubt. I backed OHO today and gutted he lost but would have been rather a hollow victory if he had been given the race. Horses were obviously knackered with a few all over the track. Hopefully will soon be forgotten about and no appeals made either, because that would be bad. Backing a GC winner and not getting paid out :(

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    I have never been a big fan of Tom Scu. before but I thought he was exemplary in his description of events without trying to gain benefit and I realise this is the BIG ONE in all their lives but I thought Casey came across very slimey and was delighted that the result stood.
    Davy Russell has had a raw deal from before in England with Ferdie’s stable then losing his top job this year but he must be floating now and good luck to this very nice man as he spoke his piece of the event without pleading favour unlike his fellow countryman.

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    I have never been a big fan of Tom Scu. before but I thought he was exemplary in his description of events without trying to gain benefit and I realise this is the BIG ONE in all their lives but I thought Casey came across very slimey and was delighted that the result stood.
    Davy Russell has had a raw deal from before in England with Ferdie’s stable then losing his top job this year but he must be floating now and good luck to this very nice man as he spoke his piece of the event without pleading favour unlike his fellow countryman.

    Casey had a responsibility to himself and to connections. I thought he put his case very well. DR seemed to know it was a bit of a cosmetic Enquiry. Short of assassinating the runner-up, no winning jock’s going to have a Gold Cup taken away in the stewards’ room.

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    Bobs Worth came right across – there was no barging as they didnt touch. Those horses can move about up the hill – just the way it is.

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    I have never been a big fan of Tom Scu. before but I thought he was exemplary in his description of events without trying to gain benefit and I realise this is the BIG ONE in all their lives but I thought Casey came across very slimey and was delighted that the result stood.
    Davy Russell has had a raw deal from before in England with Ferdie’s stable then losing his top job this year but he must be floating now and good luck to this very nice man as he spoke his piece of the event without pleading favour unlike his fellow countryman.

    Frankly Blue, jockeys shouldn’t be involved in stewards enquiries regarding the result, everyone can see what happened. Why shouldn’t Casey or any other jockey try every trick in the book to get the race, they have a vested interest, they would be mad not to tell lies.

    Russell came across badly in the enquiry for one so experienced, making reference to issues that were irrelevant and not factual eg "I was always going to win" :lol:

    Tom Scu had nothing to gain or lose, he was always going to be third.

    Rightly the stewards chose to ignore what the jockeys said.

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    Under the BHA Rules, as they currently are, the placings should have been reversed. Was there interference? The stewards said yes; and there plainly was interference. Did the interference prevent On His Own getting to the finishing line before Lord Windermere? The stewards said no. But they were plainly wrong, because the interference caused On His Own to run further than he needed to, at a diagonal, instead of straight. If Lord Windermere had not blocked him from running perpendicular to the finishing line On His Own would have got to the line before Lord Windermere. On His Own had to run an extra distance that was more than the distance by which he was beaten – a short head – two or three inches. They have the films of the end of the race; why did they not get out onto the course with a tape measure (or a GPS system) and check the actual distance run by OHO compared to how far he would have run if he could have kept straight. Someone could have been doing that as soon as they called the enquiry. Is this idleness or unprofessionalism. If they have a rule they should implement it properly, not rely on guesswork where none is required. It is the twenty-first century for goodness sake; it is the Gold Cup at the premier jumps meeting in the world; it’s not a selling hurdle at Plumpton in the 1950s. It makes it looks like the stewards come to a judgement about who they think deserves the race, which is fair enough – if that were the BHA rule, but it is not. If they do not like the BHA’s current rules, then they should campaign to have them changed. It makes the BHA look like a bunch of aged amateurs. Their attitude is unforgiveable in a professional sport.

    I did not have any financial interest in the race.

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    Marginal Value – Are the jumps rules different to the flat? because when the same happened to Sky Lantern which imo was worse they (TRF crew) said the rules were in favour of Elusive Kate.

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    Tired horses wandering all over the course at the end of a grueling race, the best horse definitely won and I’m glad he kept the race, a historic victory for Jim Cullotty, Terry would have been smiling down on him today. I backed Silviniaco Conti and thought he was going to push on up the hill after the last but he drifted all over the course and faded badly as Lord Windermere pounced and snatched victory from his grasp.
    How could you take it away from him and OHO jockey embraced Davy Russell after the victory before putting the knife in his back in the Stewards Room.

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    Surely as a punter, Bookmakers pay on double result, do they

    I wasn’t aware of that. Do they do that as standard? Probably worth their while PR-wise nowadays as although I presume they pay out on both ‘results’, there’s very few overturns these days.

    Plus you can always do as Phil Bull did and back first past the post.

    Don’t think that’d be for me as I’d still like justice to be done in the case of an absolute no-brainer mullering!

    Mike

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