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Last year prior to the QMCC PN said enough to suggest to me Twist Magic was only there to make up the numbers.
I had at the time my biggest bet of the season on MM so I am certainly not talking through my pocket.
I am of the opinion Twist Magic does not stay a yard of the 2 miles round Cheltenham and PN was perfectly aware the horse had no chance and gave instructions to Sam Thomas to take care of the horse. I’m being polite!
During the race he was always going fairly well and was still within striking distance of the leading horses going to the 4th last when Sam Thomas seemed to take it very easy going into the fence. He was passed by New Mill and from then on in Sam dropped his hands and made no efort whatsoever. Newmill was a couple of lengths up on him and his jockey was rowing away like a man posessed.
This year he put up even less effort in my opinion and was clearly therre gain to make up numbers.
A lot of people lost a lot of EW money on the horse and you can have a good bet he’ll skip over to Ireland like he did last year. Last year he truned round the form with 2 horses who finished away in front of him in the QMCC and not a question was asked. Different track sure different going sure but a total non trier in my book.
PN the biggest trainer in the country can afford to school horses in public even at Cheltenham the question is if that was an ordinary meeeting on an ordinary track and it was some lesser trainer, would he be pulled up for it?
i rekon it was so blatant his feet wouldn’t touch the ground.
Well, his form is there for everyone to see before you harp on about each way money. I laid him for the place being armed with no more information than most.
Lets not forget the owner may well just want to run his horse in a champion chase which he is entitled to do so.
I also don’t believe Twist Magic is all that predictable, lacks consistency and is a bit of a rouge to be honest. Just look at his race before cheltenham in the Desert Orchid, he should surely be hacking up in a contest like so as those are supposedly the sort of conditions he requires? He very nearly didn’t line up and then ran like he couldn’t be bothered. I think you get what you get with Twist Magic and if he runs for you when your moneys down you’ve done well!
I think PN would have far too much to lose to try and pull a stunt like that on the biggest stage of all.
Twist Magic is a dodgepot of the highest order (albeit a very talented one). He’s run two horrendous races the last 2 times out and it’s no conincidence that on both occasions he’s thrown his toys out of the pram prior to the off. Did you see him throw Sam off?
The owner paid 1,520 pounds to run him in the Queen Mother Champion Chase. Don’t think anybody would "school in public" for that sort of money.
The horse is a pig, pure and simple. I don’t know if they showed it on TV but he planted himself on the horsewalk, then dumped his jock, finally consenting to go down some minutes later after being jogged off sans jockey. After that performance it was no surprise he didn’t perform. He planted himself at the start at Kempton as well and is definitely turning doggy. I’ll be against him if he turns up at Punchestown.
The horse is a pig, pure and simple. I don’t know if they showed it on TV but he planted himself on the horsewalk, then dumped his jock, finally consenting to go down some minutes later after being jogged off sans jockey. After that performance it was no surprise he didn’t perform. He planted himself at the start at Kempton as well and is definitely turning doggy. I’ll be against him if he turns up at Punchestown.
Not sure I would be.. I can see him running well at Punchestowns as I reckon that it was a prep run.
Just because Nicky Henderson trains a decent staying hurdler is no reason to change the name of my local racecourse!
I would actually like to see Nicholls have a stab at 2m4f on good ground with Twist Magic, he does have quite a bit of stamina in his pedigree, and when the tempo is stepped up at 2miles he does tend to make plenty of mistakes. Perhaps with more time to think about what he is doing, on a surface he loves he could potentially go better.
Just because Nicky Henderson trains a decent staying hurdler is no reason to change the name of my local racecourse!
Admittedly I have found myself doing that aswell, it’s a bad habit that’s hard to shake off..
The horse is a pig, pure and simple. I don’t know if they showed it on TV but he planted himself on the horsewalk, then dumped his jock, finally consenting to go down some minutes later after being jogged off sans jockey. After that performance it was no surprise he didn’t perform. He planted himself at the start at Kempton as well and is definitely turning doggy. I’ll be against him if he turns up at Punchestown.
I take it you are talking about this year? Even if you are not does that give licence to a jockey to sit motionless throughout the entire race and have a quite run behind the others?
I think not and whether you are against him at Puchestowns or not has little relevance.
It’s very nice of you all to post but wouldn’t it be wonderful if one person said something like. "He looked to be trying his best" "Fist are you fookin blind" Not I’m going to lay him he’s a pig when the horse already went there after not tryin a leg and pissed up.
I’ve just read that a couple of P Nicholls’ horses that didn’t win at Cheltenham have been moved to Venetia Williams…does anyone know which ones they are and is Twist Magic likely to be one of them?
The owner paid 1,520 pounds to run him in the Queen Mother Champion Chase. Don’t think anybody would "school in public" for that sort of money.
Then you are extremely naive. The race he won in Ireland after having a nice quite run round at the back in the QMC was a 220,000 euro race.
Plus the owner had his badge for the day and took all his cronies along and probably told them all to back MM
1500 quid is a drop in the ocean to these people mate
Bukwark – i can’t believe you seriously think Twist Magic wants further? He’s a shorty for me.
Bukwark – i can’t believe you seriously think Twist Magic wants further? He’s a shorty for me.
I wouldn’t trust the animal over any distance to be honest!!!!
Well, his form is there for everyone to see before you harp on about each way money. I laid him for the place being armed with no more information than most.
Lets not forget the owner may well just want to run his horse in a champion chase which he is entitled to do so.
I also don’t believe Twist Magic is all that predictable, lacks consistency and is a bit of a rouge to be honest. Just look at his race before cheltenham in the Desert Orchid, he should surely be hacking up in a contest like so as those are supposedly the sort of conditions he requires? He very nearly didn’t line up and then ran like he couldn’t be bothered. I think you get what you get with Twist Magic and if he runs for you when your moneys down you’ve done well!
Again I presume you are talking about this year by which time my grannie could have told you he wouldn’t get a place. In fact read back the comments and you will see I said so in the thread.
Last year he opened at 11/2 and went to 5’s and fortunes were lost. The horse wasn’t of a yard. Half this forum fancied the horses chances and more than a few no doubt lost money.
I agree it is down to the owner at the end of the day which is a very valid point but it is not beyond the realms of possibility that the owner knew he was going to Ireland and had no chance of winning the QMCC. Pual Nichols said as much when he said he was more of an Aintree type before the race. I myself ruled him out in a post before the race saying he wouldn’t get the trip in a million years. I don’t think PN thought he had a hope in hell of getting the trip so why run him other than to give him a quite confidence booster or a racecourse gallop?
The horse wasn’t off a yard plain and simple and if he had been he would have probably finished even further back but that doesn’t make it right or give them permisssion to make no effort to win.
I am/was a big fan of Twist Magic, but you can see from his last couple of runs, that he has a mind of his own, his behaviour pre-race was there for all to see, but obviously Aristo/fist saw something the rest of us failed to
pick up on!Bukwark – i can’t believe you seriously think Twist Magic wants further? He’s a shorty for me.
I’m not saying it’s guaranteed to work,but I reckon it’s worth a go. He has appeared to have been outstayed a few times over 2 miles, but it may be that the pace of the races is taking it out of him more than the distance. Interestingly enough when he was outstayed behind tamarinbleu in the victor chandler last year (after which admittedly he hasnt looked the same since), one of the other horses who also appeared to be outstayed that day- schindlers hunt ran a cracker in the ryanair last week.
Theres no option to step him down in trip from 2 miles, but 2 miles isnt really working for him, so why not have go at stepping up him for a couple of runs over a slightly longer trip, but only on good ground. The horse is best on good ground but on pedigree would look to have too much stamina to be fully effective at 2 miles on good ground, and he doesnt seem to be enjoying himsself much at 2 miles these days. I’d just be curious to see how he goes over slightly further more than anything.
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