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PP had an accumulator for the 4 big races; when Shishkin refused to start they reverted the bet to a treble. Generous of them, but thanks to BMG they had the last laugh
True CAS “it is not the rules”. It is better than the rules.
It is to the individual bookie’s credit.
You’re complaining about individual bookmakers doing more than they need to…
…When – if you had your way – the same money would in effect not be coming out of the bookies pockets but the (winning) punters… And the punter who gets his / her money back could next time it happens be the one losing money out of winnings…
Unless you’re saying that because not all bookies do more than they need to, then no bookie should be allowed to do more than they need to?
Value Is EverythingIf you want all punters to be treated equally then surely a tote monopoly is the only way to ensure that.
As long as bookies follow the rules, there’s nothing anyone can do about them voluntary returning money they don’t have to. It’s a highly competitive marketplace with little to choose between any of them so they’ll all try these small and relatively cheap publicity stunts to try to lure you to them hoping it’ll happen again like Paddy Power with their early payouts which as Nathan says has been going on for years.
Also agree with Ginger about rule 4, surely there’d have to have been one in this case if officially a NR. Is that fair?
“When – if you had your way – the same money would in effect not be coming out of the bookies pockets but the (winning) punters”.
No, it wouldn’t Ginger. I think the horse should be treated as a runner, as the rules state. There would be no refunds at all. Why would that penalise punters who backed the winner?
Unless I have misunderstood, the situation you describe would only happen if the horse was treated as a non runner and a Rule 4 applied to winning bets. But I have specifically argued for that not to happen.
I said you are arguing for one or the other, so if not the piece you’ve chosen to quote from me it’s the second bit of my post that is relevant:
That because “not all bookies do more than they need to, then no bookie should be allowed to do more than they need to”…
Which seems wrong to me – at least in a case like this.
Value Is EverythingWhat I object to is when an individual bookmaker offers special offers, free bets etc to punters it wants to encourage / keep loyal… Whereas those same advertised offers from the same bookmaker are not available to punters they want to discourage.
As long as the bookmaker is giving money back to all of its own customers over Shishkin, I have no problem.
Value Is EverythingNobody should place a bet in the expectation that they may get more generous terms than under the rules, and I very much doubt they do. If people happen to be treated more generously then that is simply a nice, rare bonus.
I don’t see why this practice needs to be cracked down on as I don’t view any aspect of it as being unclear or unfair. Nobody has been treated worse than the terms of the bet they knowingly entered into.
Wonder what race he will run in now if to have a race before the king George? I know Nicky mentioned the hurdle race on Friday could be option but who knows
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Henderson said he is considering the Rehearsal Chase at Newcastle. He is sending Constitution Hill up there, so Shishkin may as well join him.
I see Chris Cook has gone with this topic in his Post column today. Not the first time he’s addressed something we are discussing on here… I wonder if he’s a secret TRF member?
Agree CAS, i dont see this as a difficult situation, regardless where it plants itself when the flag goes down, there a runner and have refused, no refunds, end of, or, everyone gets a refund, which is worse, because then the prices get marginally worse to cover the risk
I don’t have a problem losing my stake if a horse plants itself and is rightly declared a runner, annoyed yes but it is what it is. Maybe they need a secondary line behind the tape and if the horse decides to plant itself and doesn’t cross this secondary line then a non runner.
The more I know the less I understand.
Yes CAS confirmed it today, he be running in a handicap so will have carry weight
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Shishkin has got the dreaded Timeform squiggle – the highest rated chaser this century to receive this unwanted award.
https://www.racingtv.com/news/king-of-the-squiggles-shishkin-gets-black-mark-for-ascot-antics
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