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  • #2708
    davidbrady
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    Banker of the day now that the going is Gd/Sft. Still 15/8 in places (which was the RP forecast price when the going was Gd/Fm)

    #72035
    The Wizard
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    Hope you’re correct as he’s one of out Ten To Follow main selections. I’m a bit worried about Hard Top, given Sir Michael Stoute’s record of getting a good tune out of older horses.

    #72036
    FlatSeasonLover
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    Absolutely, one of the horses I’d set out to follow this season; looks a simple task.

    #72038
    The Wizard
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    FSL – currently a decent price then if you’re that confident – GET ON!!

    #72039
    Artemis
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    Always a bit of a worry when the phrase ‘can’t be beaten’ is used.<br>I believe there are only two dangers: Bandari, who could pose a threat if returning to his best, and the improving Munsef. Hard Top is, of course, respected, but if he was from any other stable he would be about 6/1.

    #72040
    Irish Stamp
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    Not sure about Shirocco, certainly deserves to be favourite but Stoute managed to get Mountain High back to form as a 4yo yesterday and maybe he can get Hard Top’s career back on track :)

    #72041
    IRSHEYEZ
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    Have to agree with this thread completley the change in going to good to soft makes the 15/8 a very very big price imo. I cant believe stoutes Hard Top has a rating of 115, i know he beat the geezer who went on to finish 2nd to scorpion in the leger but i think hard top is highly overated. May well be eatin my words later on today but i highly doubt it.

    #72042
    SirHarryLewis
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    A very very brave lay EC

    SHL

    #72043
    FlatSeasonLover
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    What price did you lay it at EC? I think the soft ground was the key but I lumped on so I’m happy.:)

    #72044
    jackane24
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    This morning logged onto Turf Trax and saw Good to Soft with a Soft patch from 2 out to 1 out, saw the 2.66 on BF and had a bit of it.

    Fancied Hard Top first time out, but the ground went completely against him. Will be a good older horse though, Don’t think he’s at all overrated. Could possibly develop into a Group 1 horse.

    #72045
    IRSHEYEZ
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    Every stoute horse is actually overated imo and the betting reflects it with them. I see areyoutalkingtome out at winsor in a maiden over 1m 2. of course stoute has tissue 2nd fav with only 1 run. Now if charles cyzer trained fleeting memory he’d be 12/1 at least and if stoute had areyoutalkingtome he’d be 4/9. Altho works beeter for me sumtimes as u always get a bit of value with a powerful stable going up against a small 1.

    #72046
    Salselon
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    If anyone can tell me why Hard Top is rated so high, I’d love to hear it.

    He won a falsely run Great Voiteguer (sp?) and thats it. Not shown much else for me. Now Munsef is a horse who may progress well this season.

    #72047
    SirHarryLewis
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    No doubt but thats what happens with all horses from the big yard.  Why do you think the winner of the big one today was still 20’s after the Nell Gywnn.  Bookmakers are much more afraid of talking horses from these yards.

    EC,  as a shrewd layer of horses that you are, i was surprised you took on shiroco.  Surely the horse wouldnt have even needed to be fully fit to beat that lot and more to the point, why come the whole way to Newmarket for a prep race.  Although I suppose in modern times, its probably just as easy as bringing anywhere more local.

    SHL

    #72048
    Salselon
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    Interesting to hear how Fabre spoke about Shirocco after the race.

    He seems to rate him very close to Hurricane run. The Corantion cup should not be missed, although it is a pity Shawanda misses out.

    #72049
    jackane24
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    Andrew, Hard Top will love a hard top, and showed his class when winning the Great Voltigeur.

    Don’t quite see how it was falsely run – was 1.54 seconds slower than standard, and he beat The Geezer, Brahminy Kite, Kong, etc. He’ll improve, and would be very happy to back him on a quick surface.

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