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I fullfilled a lifetime quest last night, by going to see the sex pistols at a festival in Ireland called Electric Picnic….
i am in such good form today they were so good was like going back 30 years all the old clips i have seen of them there was no difference except for a few gray hairs and a few lbs!!!!!
i can now die a happy man
I had tickets to see them for their last gig at Brunel University in Uxbridge in 1978. I was going off the scene a bit by then anyway and mates that went said they were absolutely awful. Dismal. Contemptuous
But so were the Clash back then too. But at least they tried, even if you didnt know which track they were playing
Im amazed that anyone listens to Punk now. Served its purpose but thats about it. Having said that, the Pistols (recording wise anyway) were always the best
serious clive music is my 1st love and i know it’s a cliche but without them music could be very different today a lot of people just seen them as fu.ck up’s of society but as we all know they were not except for sid maybe, after the gig which my ears are still ringing by the way (music wise they nailed it and the sound was savage) i was thinking if Mr rotten had got on that Pan Am flight i would not have been there last night thank who ever he didnt still can not believe i seen them and to add on they were on top of their game made it all the better i am trying to think of a name to describe how good they were but cant think of one deserving enough……
Clivex were you gutted you missed them?[/list]
I agree with Clivex when he says that punk served it’s purpose but that’s about it. Looking back, I now think that punk was the least innovative of all the styles of music.
The reality is that the Sex Pistols were one of the most manufactured groups of all time as explained in the following – http://www.jackfeenyreviews.com/sexpistols.htm but if you enjoyed their music then great.
Pete
Clivex were you gutted you missed them?[/list]
In some ways yes. its not at all my musical style now but its something to say i suppose. Like many in west london i saw many of the groups as they started. When it came down to it, it was exciting in some ways seeing the punk bands but they were nearly all awful live (Stranglers and perhaps Jam excepted) and far more enjoyable were the R&b bands (which laid foundation for the scene) such as dr Feelgood, count Bishops and eddie and the hot rods
Glad u enjoyed Batman. They are old men now who know how to play now and not completely out of their heads 24/7
Hearing Pretty Vacant when it came out (I was 15 at the time) quite literally changed the course of the rest of my life.
With the benefit of thirty years of hindsight much of the music from the punk bands of the 1976 to 1978 era hasn’t aged well. That said, the Pistols album (which at the time was more a post-script to their career than a defining moment) has some great tracks and the guitar sound remains inspiring.
I never saw them but saw The Clash in 1978 (The Specials and Suicide supporting) and they were absolutely brilliant. Maybe they’d improved since you saw them Clivex but they could play a bit and there was never any doubt that musically, Steve Jones excepted, they were way ahead of the Sex Pistols.
As I said some of it tough listening now but they were great days. Whether we’ll ever have another musical revolution quite like it ever again is debateable.
All through the gig Sunday muppets were throwing loads of crap on stage which Mr. Rotten pointed out (he is top man on stage) then eventualy a dart was thrown at them Mr. Rotten clocked him and told the crowd to do their own police’n…..
i no punk does not have much influence these days somone said they were manufactured, but they still wrote thier own tunes created their own sound and believed in what they stood for and still do, not like groups/bands these days……
Bodies is also one of my fav’s, Mr rotten has Irish Blood in him and it was their 1st ever gig in Ireland so as you can guess one track got one of the best if not the best receptions i have ever heard for a song, he introduced it as " IRISH NATIONAL ANTHEM"
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN, THE FASCHIST REGEIM, WHO MADE YOU A MORON POTENTIAL H-BOMP
i no punk does not have much influence these days somone said they were manufactured, but they still wrote thier own tunes created their own sound and believed in what they stood for and still do, not like groups/bands these days……
Oh dear. Romantic view im afraid
Its unlikely that Sid Vicious played on any recording and more than a few rumours at the time that the album was all session muscians
Glen Matlock wrote most of the material
They didnt really believe in anything frankly. if you think they were political, you are way wide of the mark.
Definately manufactured, This was always Mclarens beast
As for the sound…well it wasnt that much different to the New York dolls. Speeded up heavy metal. As Swallow says, the image was innovative (and created away from the group) but the music certainly wasnt
There is no more saddening sight for any rock fan to see their once youthful idols re-forming for money or nostalgic reasons – and then performimg live ; especially when it is clear to everyone (if not themselves) that they are long past their sell by date. Lydon now seems an even bigger parody of his old alter ego, Rotten. He can barely muster up enough saliva these days to spit at anyone.
It flies in the face of what they once espoused and rebeled against, does it not ?
Aye, it’s the Sex Pistols, Captain – but not as we knew them.
p.s I did buy the original album (soon after its release) to see what all the fuss was about – and it is good.
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There is no more saddening sight for any rock fan to see their once youthful idols re-forming for money or nostalgic reasons – and then performimg live ; especially when it is clear to everyone (if not themselves) that they are long past their sell by date.
How true – see my previous comments on Deborah Harry at the Latitude Festival in the stuff-you’re-listening-to thread.
It’s an inexact science, though, of course. Simeon Coxe had been playing live under his Silver Apples moniker a decade before Blondie even came into being, yet neither age nor permanent injury from a road traffic accident a few years back have proved enough to stop him being a most engaging and proficient proposition live.
Me and Little Brother Column saw him play a rare gig in Brixton earlier this year. For all that it was just one 70-odd year-old guy and his trusty bank of home-made and acquired wave oscillators, it was by a long margin the best gig we’ve seen this year.
Jeremy
(graysonscolumn)Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
I would much prefer Lydon to reform PiL as there is a wealth of superb material to choose from. However I suspect the revenues would not come close to that earned from a Pistols tour.
Well, thee and me would ensure there would be two ticket sales, at least.
I found this clip on Youtube t’other day – I remember seeing it on TOTP first time round and finding Mr Lydon absolutely terrifying! Must have been the staring eyes and the screen manipulation, I guess…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdAnlXhyikw
gc
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
i no punk does not have much influence these days somone said they were manufactured, but they still wrote thier own tunes created their own sound and believed in what they stood for and still do, not like groups/bands these days……
Oh dear. Romantic view im afraid
Its unlikely that Sid Vicious played on any recording and more than a few rumours at the time that the album was all session muscians
Glen Matlock wrote most of the material
They didnt really believe in anything frankly. if you think they were political, you are way wide of the mark.
Definately manufactured, This was always Mclarens beast
As for the sound…well it wasnt that much different to the New York dolls. Speeded up heavy metal. As Swallow says, the image was innovative (and created away from the group) but the music certainly wasnt
Oh dear?? nothing romantic at all Clive if thats the way you took my post no worries, your are correct about Sid not playing but rotten wrote most of the lyrics and if you look at the credits all songs wrote by jones/cook/matlock/rotten,God save the queen was wrote one morning in rottens kitchen over a cup of tea and a fag, holidays was wrote after trip to germany, he wrote bodies about some girl he knew who turned up at his house with a Feotus in a bag, (i could go on but wont), Mclaren always tries to take credit for this he even wanted them not to release a album but if you ask any of the members they will tell of a totaly different story he might have got them all together but on the musice side he did not have an influence, Jones played most of music on the album and they did use session musicans….
and as for people saying bands like this only looking for a payday, you prob right but im sure the pistols would say otherwise but i was only 1 when never mind was released so to get a chance to hear the orig line up play these songs live is a dream come true for me, and i have already said they are super prob 100 times better than when they played years ago with crap set-up’s etc it was their 1st ever gig over here so they really put in a top set and of all the recent gigs i have been to would put most to shame i understand that is a matter of opinion, but if anyone seen the gig on Sunday i dont think many would disagree…
Hi All,
Bizarre that my first post is should be here lol!
There is no more saddening sight for any rock fan to see their once youthful idols re-forming for money or nostalgic reasons – and then performimg live ; especially when it is clear to everyone (if not themselves) that they are long past their sell by date.
I have to agree with the above. I would love to have witnessed the Pistols in the ’70’s. I have to admit I’d go & see them now but Mr Lydon, rather than being anarchic, is somewhat irritating these days in his ‘trying-too-hard’ bids to remain controversial. Not sure his ‘sell by’ date has gone, he’s still saleable as I count myself a customer of his services in the name of nostalgia. However, perhaps his ‘best before’ date has gone….
How true – see my previous comments on Deborah Harry at the Latitude Festival in the stuff-you’re-listening-to thread.
Debbie was my pin-up girl. I had every picture disc and a fortunes worth of imports & ‘mabilia… I just wished she’d stayed in my memories of adolescence rather than come back with that “Maria, show me yer beav….” oh never mind…
I don’t think music has had a greater time since punk, I mean as a total package – music, dress, controversy and adrenaline. That may be just romanticism on my part?
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