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Schiaparelli has been paid up after 1 dec’s for the Melbourne Cup. He has not been seen on a race track anywhere that I can find. Someone must know something about where this horse is at. German Derby winner that is a full sibling to another German Derby winner who is a sire of a "you guessed it" the German Derby! 9 wins from 13 starts nice horse – so please anyone post what you know.
[/b]You can find Schiaparelli’s races in the PQ-database or at http://www.racebets.com ("Formguide").
He hasn’t done much wrong in Germany, likes softish going. He is a brave horse: once in the lead, he doesn’t give in and let no other horse pass him. He is not a spectacular winner with a decent stride or a strong finishing speed – his running and winning so far has been "workman-like".
Sorry: Of course the Racing Post-data-base!
The full brother is Samum, who’s made such a brilliant start to his stud career by siring this year’s German Derby winner, Kamsin.
The full sister is Salve Regina, who won the German Oaks, and ran 2nd in the German Derby.
All three, who happen to be chestnuts, are by the best stallion in the world, Monsun, out of Sacarina.
Cheers Parlo and Venusian, if he were to make the trip down under would he be a serious threat at 3200 metre’s? I have a gut feeling that he is being set for the Cup.
Cormack15, that is the info I have been searching for…….. Will check the race results……it’s 11.37 pm in Aust.
He ran quite well today, making the running and just being run out of it in the last furlong by Zambezi Sun. Schiaparelli looked a bit fat to my untrained eye and that he’d appreciate the race. He had a setback in the spring which is why he’s not been seen until today. I doubt he’s going for the Melbourne Cup as Godolphin have already put All The Good into quarantine for the trip down under.
Godolphin have previously run more than one entrant in the Cup. In 2001 Give The Slip was well clear 1 furlong out and would have won if not for the international jockey running him in the soft section of the straight. Marienbard was the main hope of the Godolphin stable that year.
Aiden however refuses to run Septimus against Yeats. I watched Septimus win the St Leger with ease but was concerned that he was slowing considerably in the last furlong……….A melbourne Cup winner will have to be doing his best work on the line……..that’s a given…….The stayers go hard a long way from home in your part of the world but don’t appear to have much top end speed. You will need a pace maker to apply pressure to the locals 10 furlongs out to utilize that stamina.… if he were to make the trip down under would he be a serious threat at 3200 metre’s? …
Well, I don’t know how 2-mile-races are run in Australia and how much weight he will get from Yeats, and as I said: some give in ground would help him a lot. I saw Yeats winning the Ascot Gold Cup, when he decisively outstayed Gordian in the last furlong with a little turn of foot. I doubt that Schiaparelli could do this.
Schiaparelli won the German St. Leger (2,800 m) when he was not in top-form, but the distance should not be the problem.
Godolphin have previously run more than one entrant in the Cup. In 2001 Give The Slip was well clear 1 furlong out and would have won if not for the international jockey running him in the soft section of the straight. Marienbard was the main hope of the Godolphin stable that year.
Aiden however refuses to run Septimus against Yeats. I watched Septimus win the St Leger with ease but was concerned that he was slowing considerably in the last furlong……….A melbourne Cup winner will have to be doing his best work on the line……..that’s a given…….The stayers go hard a long way from home in your part of the world but don’t appear to have much top end speed. You will need a pace maker to apply pressure to the locals 10 furlongs out to utilize that stamina.I think Septimus was slowing as he knew it was won to be fair
Bruce Jackson in todays Racing Post:
“The Godolphin team were delighted with the effort of Schiaparelli, having been at pains to warn that the five-year-old would need this first run in 20 days short of a year off the track.
The ex-German-trained five-year-old, purchased off the back of three straight Group 1 successes, has suffered from bone bruises and Godolphin has been very patient in returning him to action.
Simon Crisford, Godolphin’s racing manager, said: “That was a good comeback as he has been off a long while and we told everyone he was not really fit, so it was a very pleasing effort, and he also wants soft ground to be at his best.”
The team was certainly not immediately scrubbing his Arc entry, especially if Paris is hit by autumn storms to turn the ground in his favour, but Crisford added: “There are a lot of mile and a half races in the autumn for him.” “
Sorry? There are alot of first declarations for the Melbourne Cup but a distinct majority of them are not going to be heading down.
Where did you get your info Snooper?
I saw Yeats winning the Ascot Gold Cup, when he decisively outstayed Gordian in the last furlong with a little turn of foot. I doubt that Schiaparelli could do this.
If Yeats beat Gordian easily, then the latter had the excuse of being 28 years old and slightly past his best, although that would rate as his best performance since winning the Guardian Classic Trial in 1983.
I Study the overseas entries, then rate them, then watch for signs that they may seriously be considering the Cup.
SCHIAPARELLI had not been sighted in any news and had not raced, yet the Godolphin team paid up for him for the Cup at the first declaration stage.
I was well aware of his credential’s, how well related he is, and a high class mile and a half horse in Europe is more the type to win the Melbourne cup than the genuine European stayers.
For example ROGAN JOSH the 1999 winner, who’s career wins of thirteen, has four 1400m victories included. He won a Group One 2000m race three days before the Melbourne Cup Victory. This is not unusual amoung Cup winners.Would SEPTIMUS win a Group One 2000m race?
Does he have enough turn of foot?He certainly can grind the life out of his opponents, that’s for sure, but the Cup will be run quite differently to what he is used to.
I use YEATS as the example, he ran seventh, and he is of equal stature to SEPTIMUS.
Champion dour type stayers, over the years, have come but failed to win. They often run well but are not ideally suited. I have lost many times betting on them. Conversely I would hate to see an Aussie stayer try to win a 3200m race in Europe, it could be ugly..SCHIAPARELLI has what it takes to win in my oppinion. I rate him as he has a race record superior to POP ROCK and runs on the pace like DELTA BLUES.
The local favorites I don’t like!
EFFICIENT is being trained to European methods. No disrespect to Lloyd Williams and Co but they lack the expertise of the European Trainers.
WEEKEND HUSTLER is bred to sprint, and he is very good at it, but he has never raced beyond 1600m and will not run the 3200m. He is the best lay bet of all time for the Melbourne Cup.
Schiaparelli had a German Rating (GAG) of 98.5 kg = 117 lbs IC and he should have been quite near this mark again in the Foy last Sunday. He did’t look fit bur still fat on Sunday after his long rest. The Arc may be to early for him – so the Breeders’ Cup Turf, Japan Cup or Melbourne Cup as more realistic targets?
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