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Let’s a grip here, I am not a Sam basher, but if someone f** ks up, they have to be brought to account,
As you say doyley you have to be brought to account!
Sam did everything he could to get Denman to win, he will be the first to say Denman rides like a different horse this year, he is not the horse he was last year! At least connections remained loyal!I cant believe Sam Thomas is being blamed for this,the horse was never going today but Sam just worked away on him,if he had jumped the last we will never know but ide be pretty confident Denman would have wore down the leader.
But the the hell it is Sams fault for the horse falling **** Knows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was simply an accident that happened nothing more and this was at the fence which Kauto Star and Master Minded had problems with aswell last year both with Ruby on board.
Sam has had a tough season which really started to go wrong when he fell off Kauto at Haydock.
Let him have the summer off with Denman and next year they will be back to their best.
Everyone has bad spells in any working profession its just the way things go in life im afraid.
Big Bucks, Kauto Star, Denman. I hate to say it but there is a pattern forming.
Only if you don’t believe in coincedences. An unseat (albeit a slightly soft one) after a bad blunder from a sketchy jumper, a horse pecking badly on landing and a horse seemingly taking off too early, all coming in the space of a jumps season seems pretty plausible to me.
Big Bucks, Kauto Star, Denman. I hate to say it but there is a pattern forming.
You call three rides over 6 months a pattern Aragorn.
This time last year we also had a pattern forming. At just one meeting at the same fence. Kauto Star, Master Minded….. They both lost a race at the same fence with the same rider on board, making the same kind of mistake.
Sam made mistakes there too didn’t he?
Nope that was Ruby.
Good job Sam was not on board then, wasn’t it.
Mark
Value Is EverythingI have yet to see any sensible comment about any error made by Sam Thomas on Denman today, irrespective of what happened in any previous races.
I’m sorry SP but I don’t follow what you are trying to say. Sam did nothing wrong in my eyes. I’ve watched the race and the fall more than a few times and stick by my analysis.
Having done so I am 100% in Sam Thomas’s camp. He said Denman was responding and would have won.
So many people are saying differently but looking at it closely Denman looked to me like he was just going that little bit better going to the second last. Sam eased off at exactly the reight time to give Denman every chance to jump the fence and it was himself Denman himself who took off a fraction too early and hit the top of the fence on the way down. A very common fall that could happen to anyone.
Had he jumped it I am now pretty sure with a bit of pushing and shoving Sam would have been proved right and won. Can’t believe those two presenters saying MDB had broken Denman at the time he fell.
They don’t come back to you at Aintree and Denman had to be ridden 4 out to get to him. Once he got there Sam was somewhat less vigourous and MDB pilot was getting more serious and both were at it going to the second last. But Denman "Broken?" in a pig’s eye he was.
If anything Denman who looked just slightly the stronger to me.
I’m unclear what you think SP? Sam did it right or are you saying he messed up?
On a horse which didn’t have conditions to suit his strengths Sam Thomas was caught on the horns of a dilemma yesterday.
The horse was never going well enough to dominate and the only chance was to stoke up the horse sufficiently to make the finish a test of stamina. Unfortunately he was up against an opponent at the top of his form and suited to a tee by the conditions. If there had been a nice hill in front of him up to the finish, or slower ground to stop Madison Du Berlais it would have been no contest. The only other choice left to Sam Thomas might have been to ease off and hope the leader came back to him, but Thomas reckoned quite reasonably that wasn’t going to happen, and no doubt he would he would have slagged off if he had throttled back. Under pressure Denman misjudged the fence, he’s not the first classy horse to come down under such circumstances and he won’t be the last.
If anyone’s judgement is called into question it might conceivably be Paul Nicholls for aiming the horse at this race, but even that would be very harsh. He’s a trainer with top class horses and top class horses will be aimed at the top class races.
A little bruised and battered maybe, but Denman is there to fight another day.
Rob
I thought Thomas had given him an excellent ride to put him in contention and just an unfortunate fall, but, as Rob mentions many a high class horse has made mistakes there, just in the last year Kauto Star, Master Minded, Voy Por Ustedes and now Denman.
It amazes me the crap they come up with on RUK, Madison broke Denman, he was travelling better etc etc. No-one but the jockey really knows how well a horse is travelling and what we see certainly can be deceptive.
I’m more inclined to believe Denman may well have gone on and won as for me Madison was tiring in the end and Denman with his stamina in reserve certainly wouldn’t have stopped.
It’s unfortunate for Sam Thomas but thats racing and I’m sure he’ll brush himself off and come back as he is a very good jockey.
I’m sorry SP but I don’t follow what you are trying to say. Sam did nothing wrong in my eyes. I’ve watched the race and the fall more than a few times and stick by my analysis.
Having done so I am 100% in Sam Thomas’s camp. He said Denman was responding and would have won.
So many people are saying differently but looking at it closely Denman looked to me like he was just going that little bit better going to the second last. Sam eased off at exactly the reight time to give Denman every chance to jump the fence and it was himself Denman himself who took off a fraction too early and hit the top of the fence on the way down. A very common fall that could happen to anyone.
Had he jumped it I am now pretty sure with a bit of pushing and shoving Sam would have been proved right and won. Can’t believe those two presenters saying MDB had broken Denman at the time he fell.
They don’t come back to you at Aintree and Denman had to be ridden 4 out to get to him. Once he got there Sam was somewhat less vigourous and MDB pilot was getting more serious and both were at it going to the second last. But Denman "Broken?" in a pig’s eye he was.
If anything Denman who looked just slightly the stronger to me.
I’m unclear what you think SP? Sam did it right or are you saying he messed up?
Sorry for the confusion, in fact I agree with your view. In the Denman thread I went into more detail. All I had tried to say was no poster had pointed to a specific thing Sam Thomas got wrong ( on this occasion)
Thomas, in my humble opinion rode exactly the race he should have; I wouldn’t argue with that. It’s his ability to present a horse at a fence, at speed and under pressure (Only lately & particularly for team ditcheat) that I would question.
Thomas is a decent jockey but I do think the stick he’s taken is starting to make him panic a bit under pressure. He just needs a big win.
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