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I put too much emphasis on speculation of what may have happened with different tactics so apologies for that. The point in general that I wanted to get across was that the two horses were too much of a risk to back (especially at the prices) and that even with a ‘good’ ride they had a lot of questions to answer.
I get why people suggest they were bad rides and I’m not saying they are wrong with that suggestion but I just felt it was harsh to lay all blame on Ryan Moore. I guess the biggest question to come out of the two races is what were the instructions given to him beforehand?
The article Steeplechasing put up was interesting though as Ryan did sound like he was a very big advocate of not burning fuel early.
I think Ryan was hoping oosg would let his class win the race but I suspect the arc must have taken a lot out of him. More annoyed at the ride on seventh heaven. Had he got closer to the pace earlier on her stamina would have kicked and and as impressive as journey was itt would have been a battle to the line. Btw Ryan did say that maybe he should have committed oosg earlier. I’m sure Ryan knows when he doesn’t get it right.
I don’t understand why team Coolmore didn’t go with a pacemaker in the Stayers race
perhaps they thought OOSG didn’t need one…? They use pacemakers in other races so they can’t say the pace was too slow if they didn’t put one in.I think Ryan was hoping Seventh Heaven would make up a bit of ground by herself early on but she seemed a bit asleep from the stalls and he had to bustle her along for a fair bit to get up the inner a lot more than he’d probably have hoped for but then once settled had a scrimmaging match with the Palmer horse losing the little momentum they had made.
No jockey is going to get it right 100% of the time, remember when Joey was head pilot..?
And whatever happen to forum member Andyod…..?
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Early pace in the F&M wasn’t fast enough and that pace was set by… stable companion Pretty Perfect. Seamie Heffernan at fault more than Ryan Moore.
Value Is EverythingI think we now have to accept that the TV presenter’s way of putting “He made a total bollocks of that” is “things didn’t go quite right for Ryan Moore there” as Clare Balding kept reminding us.
Not sure if this is what was said years ago. I can’t believe Lester Piggott never made a total balls up and when he did, did the presenters say so in no uncertain terms. Also back in the day there was not 28 action replays from 28 different camera angles to analyse where it went wrong.
There was next to no analysis of beaten horses is Lester’s day and the average punter was nowhere near as well informed as today.
To be fair to Clare Balding, she is employed as a presenter and not race analyst.
Value Is EverythingFast becoming a poor man’s Jamie Spencer without the clock in his brain
Early pace in the F&M wasn’t fast enough and that pace was set by… stable companion Pretty Perfect. Seamie Heffernan at fault more than Ryan Moore.
To be honest I wrote that after watching him ride Idaho at Woodbine last night, allowing a strong stayer to lope along at the back in a very slowly run race is always a recipe for disaster.
Admittedly he was slightly slowly away but he made no effort to improve his position at all and I assume he was expecting his finishing kick to be more potent than it actually was.
Unless he was riding to orders it just seemed a very poor tactical ride.
Fast becoming a poor man’s Jamie Spencer without the clock in his brain
Early pace in the F&M wasn’t fast enough and that pace was set by… stable companion Pretty Perfect. Seamie Heffernan at fault more than Ryan Moore.
To be honest I wrote that after watching him ride Idaho at Woodbine last night, allowing a strong stayer to lope along at the back in a very slowly run race is always a recipe for disaster.
Admittedly he was slightly slowly away but he made no effort to improve his position at all and I assume he was expecting his finishing kick to be more potent than it actually was.
Unless he was riding to orders it just seemed a very poor tactical ride.
Agreed Andrew… And can’t see how he could be “riding to orders” either. Or – if originally riding to orders in holding the horse up – then there’s no excuse not to “improve his position” when Heffernan could clearly see/feel the pace was so slow. Bad enough on one with plenty of speed, but on a stayer at the trip… as you say “very poor tactical ride”. I believe “stupid” would be fair adjective.
Used to quite like Seamie as a jockey, but imo has lost a lot of ability in the last couple of years, can’t judge pace. So many Coolmore pacemakers are either ridden too slow or too fast in the early stages and even when on the best horse gets it wrong too often. Fortunately for me, Pretty Perfect should’ve won her previous start i the Park Hill but for Heffernan going off too fast. He’s also weak in a finish these days. imo Should’ve won the Park stakes on The Happy Prince.
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