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I have been reading issues in the forum for nearly twenty years now about the problems of punters dealing with the likes of Barney Curley.Those people claim that they cannot make a bet because they have no idea what he is up to.Yet in the Dante and the 2000n guineas both races were won and at least in the Dante the jockey was fined for some form of careless riding.Nothing is said about the outcome of same careless riding.In both racers the winner disrupted the motion of the second and third ,if not others as well.Yet not a word from the punters?Nothing will ever change if nobody cares.The judges are deciding which horse would have won.Is that not the function of racing?
Maybe the punters are right and you are wrong?
You’re not seriously suggesting either race should have had the result changed? That would have been farcical. Thankfully we have the best rules around and if possible let the result stand apart from the odd anomaly like the incompetent Stratford stewards the other week.
These anomalies could be ironed out a lot with centralised stewarding.
These anomalies could be ironed out a lot with centralised stewarding.
Agreed Eddie,still Stewards sing from their own songsheets.
Eddie are you new to racing?See my post on Punter Representation in the section on racing.What I am suggesting is that the rules state the penalty and that replacing of cheaters(behind their vistims) be done immediately so that the word goes out far and wide that cheaters never prosper.Is that ok by you or not? perhaps you think that cheaters(Excessive use of whip,Barging boring taking of another’s ground when seeking the rail etc etc etc) are entitled to do all of the above by paying the small fine attached to such breaking of the rules.My view is that we should use the simple rule; nobody is allowed to improves their chance of winning by cheating.
One is gamesmanship by jockeys taken in the spur of the moment. Usually the jockey gets punished but the owner/trainer doesn’t as it is beyond their control. On the rare occasion the owner/trainer also gets punished if the jockeys antics are deemed bad enough that (s)he gained an unfair advantage to gain a better position. The punter can lose/gain depending on the selection.
The other (Barney Curley and such like) takes weeks or even months of careful planning in order to gain an unfair advantage. The punter (unless in the know or by incredible luck) will lose out.
So we are left with the question; Who cares about the punters? Certainly not the trainers who tell you one day the horse is great and the next that he is not running.Not the jockeys who cheat in order to beat the punter.Not the stewards who permit all the cheating that goes on.A small fine for the cheating jockey and a nice prize for the owner who pays the cheating jockey and his fine if he wins.Not the racing press who want to be friends with the winners. That is seldom the betting public.They ,the press seem totally scared to name the stewards and shame them for supporting cheating jockeys,owners,and trainers.The rules are like a large umbrella under which every crooked jockey trainer,owner,and stewards hides.To answer the above post it seems like the behavior of the cheats is never deemed bad enough to make a difference to the result.In which case one wonders why the cheats go to so much trouble to beat the threat on the track since their behavior is deemed not to effect the result
"So many American owners defend their cheating trainers no matter the evidence that is presented against them or no matter how many offenses the trainer has committed. Goes to show that some owners are not opposed to illegal doping and cheating and are not overly concerned for the welfare of their horses or the welfare of others." From a reader of The Blood Horse.
So we are left with the question; Who cares about the punters? Certainly not the trainers who tell you one day the horse is great and the next that he is not running.Not the jockeys who cheat in order to beat the punter.Not the stewards who permit all the cheating that goes on.A small fine for the cheating jockey and a nice prize for the owner who pays the cheating jockey and his fine if he wins.Not the racing press who want to be friends with the winners. That is seldom the betting public.They ,the press seem totally scared to name the stewards and shame them for supporting cheating jockeys,owners,and trainers.The rules are like a large umbrella under which every crooked jockey trainer,owner,and stewards hides.To answer the above post it seems like the behavior of the cheats is never deemed bad enough to make a difference to the result.In which case one wonders why the cheats go to so much trouble to beat the threat on the track since their behavior is deemed not to effect the result
Happens in most sports though. Footballers diving, batsmen not walking. Some punished, some not but the result doesn’t change if a replay shows that it shouldn’t have been a penalty or the batsman should have been given out. The player’s first thought is winning, no thought at all for any punter who might have a stake on the outcome of the match.
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