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Wayward Lad I don’t know if this is your usual manner, but going onto a forum as a newbie and slagging off all the experienced postersa trying to respond to you, including established writers, owners and professional punters isn’t the smartest way to make friends.
Ruby Walsh may of felt the horse was being lazy and that the horse would respond better for the whip. You say the students didn’t look at it, but you obviously didn’t research this if he has been stood down for the day. Walsh is not exactly the most aggressive jockey in the saddle so I will assume the horse needed to be aggressively ridden. Now this isn’t ballet, it is a rough sport, though the horses’ welfare should be the priority. But horses are going to be whipped if its allowed, and if you don’t like it, then go and find another sport.
Quote: from Wayward Lad on 4:19 pm on Feb. 25, 2007[br]Thanks for more yet sympathetic replies, i do not wish to bring up the whip issue yet again……but..havn ridden over 500 races here over the sticks i cannot abide abuse…..and if anyone here thinks that his ride was not either he is talking out of his pocket or could not care less about the horse….i say wrongly or rightly he should of at least had 5 days and it should of been Cheltenham………….and i offer this ur in the gold cup….i bet……if his whip is as machine gun as his old mans mouth then god protect all horses……that should cause a stir…………lol<br>
Um, i’d also suggest not speaking complete nonsense.. Mr Ridley? ;)
Ban the whip? What a load of old tosh…..there are plenty horse out there that would do nothing without a few taps.
Quote: from Wayward Lad on 5:36 pm on Feb. 25, 2007if your going to comment please make it factual……or wake up on the sofa<br>
<br>…you can comment without stating facts, it was merely my impression as I stated, but with all your experience I’m sure you would know better, so :
how many winners you rode then Wayward ?  gives us the facts….looking at your profile you’ve obviously been on the deck a few times.<br>
Well Wayward Lad – an explosive start!
On the whip issue my question would echo an earlier one. Do we need the whip? (er, not me personally, ah you know what I mean!)
Someone compile a compelling argument for why jockeys need to carry a whip.
Go on.<br>
Flat season just read your profile and i see to you over qualified in horse racing so i will bow down to your superior knowledge…..not….<br>I have not come here to undermine anybodys opinion ,or upset, just to state my own opinion.<br>I have been with racehorses since i was six, done my time in the yards, treated sick and lame horses, spent many an hour with tendons, come back with bridles and empty horseboxes, ridden over fences, held horses when they have had to be destroyed, basically i have seen both sides of the fence…………………..all I am saying is………i did not like ,what i saw, did you??????
<br>Underscore i did not say ban the whip
Think i will leave it there
and guys i will not be joining the pony club, at 50 i do not think i will be accepted.<br>I will not be hiding behind the sofa.<br>I will not be finding another sport.
I have joined, I am here,……………………get use to it
Quote: from cormack15 on 8:54 pm on Feb. 25, <br>Someone compile a compelling argument for why jockeys need to carry a whip.
Why do we need jockeys?
(Edited by Purwell at 9:12 pm on Feb. 25, 2007)
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysWayward Lad you come across as aggressive and patronising to anyone that doesn’t agree with you. You won’t make friends or convince anyone to take your views seriously while you continue to post in such a manor.
Suppose you’ll have a go at me now, go ahead I have skin thicker than a donkeys dongler.
(Edited by Flash at 9:23 pm on Feb. 25, 2007)
Not the most endearing of introductions Wayward, and one I’d be keen to distance myself from in future postings, but I tend to agree that the whip was in use far too frequently yesterday afternoon.
The ground at Kempton (and Newcastle) looked nigh on unraceable, and horses were struggling a long way from home over distances they’d normally be pretty comfrotable over. Some of them will have responded to the whip for a short length of time, but nobody could convince me that flapping away on ground that deep was doing the horse any good whatsoever.
Limerick Boy, for instance, looked dead on his feet in the final two furlongs of the Racing Post chase, yet he was being ridden as though he was a neck up approaching the last in the Gold Cup. The actions of some jockeys yesterday belied common sense and took the premise of not riding out to the finish way too far.
Most things in racing appear to be a double-edged sword, somebody will be damned if they do and damned if they don’t. But to whip seven shades (the wording is extreme, but meant only to emphasise the point) out of a horse in ground which must have equated to running through treacle, was beyond crazy.
For what its worth I thought Ruby gave the horse (Natal) two or three slaps more than was neccessary. However I’m not a jockey, he is so its not for me to tell him how to ride.
To me Natal was clear nothing was finishing hands and heels I thought woud’ve been sufficient.
I think Ruby Walsh is an outstanding jockey overall. His riding earlier in the race I thought was superb. The jockey infront hadn’t moved and he looked round to see Ruby at work on Natal. Ruby gave the horse air then pushed him right up alongside the leader (who was seemingly travelling better). I thought it was fantastic race riding it really threw down the gantlet and tested the nerve and brain of his rival and practically told him "You thought you’d got me beat? You haven’t". Top class.
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(Edited by Flash at 10:05 pm on Feb. 25, 2007)
Quote: from cormack15 on 10:40 pm on Feb. 25, 2007[br]No one’s told me why the jockeys need whips yet.
<br>Keep horses straight, galvanise them to maximum effort. Some horses only really quicken when they get a crack.
Aren’t the reins for keeping them straight.
And as for max effort – no whips may mean they will go a little slower at the end but it’ll be the same for all horses.
Quote: from cormack15 on 10:49 pm on Feb. 25, 2007[br]Aren’t the reins for keeping them straight.
And as for max effort – no whips may mean they will go a little slower at the end but it’ll be the same for all horses.
<br>If all whips were banned jockeys would have to adapt. They’d cope.
I’m not saying I wouldn’t be in favour of a whip ban I’d certainly like to see it on a trial basis.
Quote: from Wayward Lad on 9:05 pm on Feb. 25, 2007[br]Flat season just read your profile and i see to you over qualified in horse racing so i will bow down to your superior knowledge…..not….<br>I have not come here to undermine anybodys opinion ,or upset, just to state my own opinion.<br>I have been with racehorses since i was six, done my time in the yards, treated sick and lame horses, spent many an hour with tendons, come back with bridles and empty horseboxes, ridden over fences, held horses when they have had to be destroyed, basically i have seen both sides of the fence…………………..all I am saying is………i did not like ,what i saw, did you??????<br>
Firstly, my username is FlatSeasonLover, call me FSL or call me FlatSeasonLover, but Flat Season to me is the summer month’s racing. I will assume you are talking to me Wayward Lad.
This post you make I find very revealing Wayward Lad, because it appears to me you are merely spoiling for a fight. My profile does indeed tell you I am a 20 year student, glad you are studious enough to have looked at my profile. You have a lot more experience than me at racing that’s true, who doesn’t, though it is a little disappointing that you don’t use your experience to ensure your posts are coherent but never mind.
You may like to reread my post, to check what I wrote. I didn’t question you, what you do, or your profile, so I find a personal attack on me very surprising, based on the fact I am relatively new to the sport. Is that because you didn’t like what I said and couldn’t think of an alternative response so you resorted to a personal attack?
You say in your post you have not come on here to undermine anybody’s opinion, well I think the first two lines of your post above does exactly that. I see your profile says: "ridden, been there ,and got the broken bits to prove it". Based on that I guess you deserve a medal then!
In your post above you also proceed to telling us a min-life story, telling us why you are right and we are wrong. I assume the question at the bottom is rhetorical too, because when anyone tries to answer to say that they disagree with you, you resort to a personal attack.
And I may be a rookie, but I obviously have something constructive to say if I have made over 3000 posts.
Cormack, here are the uses I see that the whip may be used for.
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- To stop a horse running out and ensure it follows the direction of the course.
- To encourage a horse not to stop and to keep going when it doesn’t fancy another circuit.
- To encourage a horse to jump a fence that it may not fancy jumping.
- To make the horse pass another horse that it is quite capable of passing but doesn’t want to.
- To keep the horse going until the winning post (though obviously how many taps should be allowed is up for debate)
- The whip can also be flashed at it to cajole it to go faster without actually being used.<br>
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