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Careful though, don’t moan too much otherwise you’ll get ‘Grandad’ Graysons Column having a moan
Out of order.
Forum seems to be going through a bit of troll period at the moment.
not really, only having a laugh, if anyone has made insulting comments it’s GC towards myself, I took it on the chin, it’s only a bit of fun.
SEEMS LIKE SOME PEOPLE JUST DONT SEE IT BUT IT WAS [expletive] RIDING
OK I MAYBE TALKING THRO MY POCKET BUT AT LEAST RIDE IT SOONER GOT TO BE HONEST THO I THOUGHT IT WENT PAST THE LINE INFRONT BUT I WAAS WRONGYou’re fully entitled to talk through your pocket pal, that was outrageous.
I also thought he’d got up, as did the camera man aswell.Careful though, don’t moan too much otherwise you’ll get ‘Grandad’ Graysons Column having a moan
It won’t just be Jeremy, it will be me as well. Just exactly how many winners have you guys ridden. Have you ridden at all. The jockey’s are human just like the rest of us who would all resent our mistakes being slagged off in a public forum.
Richard Hughes make a mistake, you lost money on it. You chose to risk your money in a bet on a racehorse. He risks his life to give you something to moan at. We do that too often and cry bent too often as well. Just accept it as part of racing just as it is part of life.
For goodness sake if it is that bad or bent why continue betting? Sounds a bit like pocket talking to me.
Oh and Jeremmy is very well respected throughout the industry for his knowledge or the game that is why his columns are so well read.
Have not seen the race, however I prefer to read Graysons Columns insightful posts about national hunt and point to point racing
than pocket talking moaners.
JohnJ
You’ve been spotted moaning a bit yourself on the derby thread though, John!
As per…
I am gutted, the horse with the best credentials sent to France, Jan Vermeer’s form is so inferior to Cape Blancos.
JohnJ
Chin up old boy.
Marble,
You should perhaps read full threads, rather than just skimming across the top of them, if you read the Derby thread you would have read my position on Cape Blanco.
In my younger days I have run round the Derby course. It’s not just the undulations it is the way the course slops particularly down the finishing straight. There is a considerable slope away from the stands. This is very apparent in sprints were the winner invariable is drawn stand side and ends up in the middle of the course.
Epsom can ruin a horse and Sir Percy comes to mind. Down the finishing straight your body takes a pounding on the left side particularly if you run it seriously. I can’t see it being much different for a horse with four legs.
So you need a well balance animal and big and therefore heavy must be a disadvantage. Yeats would never have won an Epsom race imo.
This years lot look very poor to me. Lets hope we get some late entries.
SNA’s odds a joke!
Yeats won the Coronation Cup at Epsom in 05. In relation to what I have backed, nothing yet, I am waiting to see if Cape Blanco is declared, then I will back him.
JohnJ
JohnJ.
hes ok in a finish, but doesnt touch j.murtagh and that at settling horses and getting them in good positions. seems to get boxed in and ruin chances more than any other jockey ive ever seen, other than spencer!!!!
Many intersesting views on here guys.
As a newcomer to this forum it seems relatively balanced and informative which is good to see.
As mentioned in a previous response to Matthew I think Hughes makes many injudicious decisions.
However, in total contrast to NH racing at the moment, I think that flat racing has its lowest ever standard of top notch jockeys, and this has gone on for the last 10 or so years.
Althogh accepting comparisons over the years are difficult, there is no way that the likes of Fallon, Hughes, Spencer, Dettori et al. can compare to Eddery, Piggott, Mercer, Carson, Starkey who were all riding at the same time, when I first became involved with racing.
Moore may prove to be exceptional, and I hope that he continues to improve, and he may indeed prove to be a an all time great.
However thw afore-mentioned group are not in the same league as Eddery and Piggott, and never will beCareful though, don’t moan too much otherwise you’ll get ‘Grandad’ Graysons Column having a moan
Out of order.
Forum seems to be going through a bit of troll period at the moment.
Presumably a case of mistaken identity somewhere down the pipe, Cav. I would struggle to recall a single post to date of Matthew’s which I’ve actually responded directly to, as he appears to stand for things about racing that I’ve little interest (personal or professional) in discussing.
I’d go through recent postings and confirm that beyond doubt, but the "View all posts by" functionality on the site doesn’t seem to be quite as far-reading as it once was. One for a rainy afternoon, perhaps.
Per "grandad", rest assured that at the ripe old age of 35 I’ve bred precisely nothing of my own yet, much less seen my own apocryphal offspring do likewise. Unless someone knows more about a couple of lost evenings in Robinskis, Wilmslow Road, Fallowfield, ca October 1993 than I do?
gc
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
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Well balanced, Coggy?
Last week this forum had a long discussion about the type of people who frequent betting shops – some of the recent pocket-talk on here (not yours btw) would get them laughed out of most that I know.Ah, got "View all posts by" working after all.
Nope, other than concurring on the merits of Ryan Mahon’s ride on Mustangsallyrally, and confirming Martin Dwyer as the rider who got his leg bashed on entering the Lingfield stalls, I’ve not interacted with Matthew directly at all ever ever ever.
Glad that’s put my mind at rest. And so to bed. For sleep only.
gc
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
On an unrelated subject GC,after his win at youknowwhere the other day,do you think Simarian will be as ‘rampant’ over fences as he was as a juvenile hurdler.
SEEMS LIKE SOME PEOPLE JUST DONT SEE IT BUT IT WAS [expletive] RIDING
OK I MAYBE TALKING THRO MY POCKET BUT AT LEAST RIDE IT SOONER GOT TO BE HONEST THO I THOUGHT IT WENT PAST THE LINE INFRONT BUT I WAAS WRONGYou’re fully entitled to talk through your pocket pal, that was outrageous.
I also thought he’d got up, as did the camera man aswell.Careful though, don’t moan too much otherwise you’ll get ‘Grandad’ Graysons Column having a moan
It won’t just be Jeremy, it will be me as well. Just exactly how many winners have you guys ridden. Have you ridden at all. The jockey’s are human just like the rest of us who would all resent our mistakes being slagged off in a public forum.
Richard Hughes make a mistake, you lost money on it. You chose to risk your money in a bet on a racehorse. He risks his life to give you something to moan at. We do that too often and cry bent too often as well. Just accept it as part of racing just as it is part of life.
I didn’t back it though, I just watched the race, he rode a shocking race, therefore, I can understand Nickbuc being annoyed. All very well saying accept it if you a). Haven’t seen it b). Haven’t done
your dough onnit.As for GC, i’m sure he is very well respected in certain circles and wouldn’t
want to offend anyone, I was merely making a joke after he had a joking pop at me on here the other day, I agree he’s very knowledgable, I’ve read his posts.Point to point racing doesn’t interest me, but each to their own.
Cheers
Matthew
Apologies to Jeremy (Graysons Column) it was
indeed a case of mistaken indentity
It was Armchair Jockey making the occasional dig.
Per Bbobell:-
Just exactly how many winners have you guys ridden. Have you ridden at all.
That’s a bit harsh Bb. I’ve never brewed a pint of beer in my life, wouldn’t know where to start. But if I bought a pint that I thought tasted "off", I’d feel perfectly within my rights to complain.
I’m not a chef, footballer, politician, road-trafic planner, singer, dentist or many other things. But I reserve the right to moan when I reckon they’ve made a mistake. Likewise people are and were perfectly free to moan about me if I made a mistake doing my work.Jockeys should NOT be above criticism.
Inevitably some of that criticism will be unfair; some won’t. Haven’t seen the race in question on this thread. Maybe the criticism is perfectly reasonable.
To infer that one can’t complain about the performance of someone doing a job that we ourselves couldn’t do is simply illogical.Good article in the Racing Post today on Mr Hughes … comes across as a bit of a tortured soul
BurroughHill wrote … comes across as a bit of a tortured soul
I know the feeling only too well having ‘tipped’ numerous potential winners in the various competitions here in recent times.
I’ve come to the conclusion that many of the Usernames on here are, in actual fact, professional jockeys masquerading as punters and pundits. This explains why my ‘tipping’ selections are doing so badly. These so-called ‘forumites’ are riding to lose races simply because they’re determined to see me come last in every competition. I reckon Nathan Hughes has got at them with his pot of gold. Notice the same surname as Richard?
Come on guys, reveal yourselves and at least give me a decent run for my money.
Blimey,a shouting post typed in capitals from a disgruntled punter criticising one of Hughes, R Hills or Spencer. I thought I was on the B*****r forum!
Just some thoughts:-
1. Why would serious punters be interested in a poor AW seller full of bad horses at an evening meeting at Lingfield which is just a sideshow for some binge drinking in the sun?
2. Despite his laid back demeanour, Hughes did care. He went to Lingfield for just the one ride for an outside stable.There is clearly resentment from punters for his previous statement that he rides for the owners paying him rather than punters.
3. Predictably the race turned into a two horse affair, Hughes’s mount is a 7 year old gelding on its sixth trainer (some have trained it twice). He was riding it for the first time. He wasn’t boxed in. without suggesting that it was in any way ungenuine, unquestionably his horse didn’t find as much as he thought when he rode it a furlong and a half out and seemed to get outbattled by the winner (who was winning its fourth seller on the bounce). It wasn’t his finest moment and he would probably do things differently next time , but far from the worst ride ever.
4.You know what you get with Hughes. Like Murphy over jumps it is hard to tell how much his mounts have in hand once they come off the bridle.
5. The ride actually didn’t arouse lots of ire on B*****r- most thought he had got up instead of being beaten a nose.
6. It was an interesting article on Hughes in the RP , although didn’t tell us anything we didn’t already know.
Beneath the affable exterior, Hughes suffers the same nerves and self doubt as most of us. He is probably happier and more confident without the Abdulla retainer and riding for his father in law.Per Bbobell:-
Just exactly how many winners have you guys ridden. Have you ridden at all.
That’s a bit harsh Bb. I’ve never brewed a pint of beer in my life, wouldn’t know where to start. But if I bought a pint that I thought tasted "off", I’d feel perfectly within my rights to complain.
I’m not a chef, footballer, politician, road-trafic planner, singer, dentist or many other things. But I reserve the right to moan when I reckon they’ve made a mistake. Likewise people are and were perfectly free to moan about me if I made a mistake doing my work.Jockeys should NOT be above criticism.
Inevitably some of that criticism will be unfair; some won’t. Haven’t seen the race in question on this thread. Maybe the criticism is perfectly reasonable.
To infer that one can’t complain about the performance of someone doing a job that we ourselves couldn’t do is simply illogical.You make a fair point Insomniac and no jockey is above criticism (I’ve ridden in precisely no races by the way). What annoyed me was the way the jockey seems entirely to blame when things go wrong in a certain way. It could be the horse, or the way the race was run. I also don’t think that we praise jockeys enough when we see a particularly good ride. I think we all need to take a deep breath (me especially) before hammering out the kind of thread we are on now.
I’ve posted on this subject before but anyone continually starting threads simply to criticise what they think are poor rides will be warned and then banned.
Jockeys should not be above criticism but the point of this forum is not to scrutinise every single race and lambast every percieved pilot error.
Plus – anyone who thinks Fallon, Murtagh, Moore and Dettori wouldn’t have excelled in any era are, in my view, mistaken. All four are top notch.
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