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This ruling would, of course, have ensured that the infamous Southwell contest of January 2002 eventually won by Family Business would have been declared a void race, with none of the seven competitors having completed the course without mishap.
However, given that the last horses to fall or unseat in that race were the trio that unseated four out (two of whom had already been remounted once in the back straight), that would presumably have raised the hackles rather less than if one sole competitor had put in a clear round until unseating softly at the last, only to be prevented from remounting.
I’m glad the Barry Connell incident was also raised earlier, as the failure to pull up in that bumper was at least as injudicious as remounting an unsound faller as far as I’m concerned.
Better brains than mine will be able to confirm whether there are HRA rules regarding penalties for continuing on a stricken horse in the same way as there are for continuing on a tired horse (not quite the same thing – see the case of poor, poor Gutteridge at Ludlow many years ago).
I’m presuming there must be, as I know Paul O’Neill was referred to Shaftesbury Avenue following his remote second on board The Langer in a Taunton novices’ hurdle in November 2006. The gelding broke down up the run-in, but O’Neill forced him on to land the £1,862 runner’s-up prize.
Again, others will know better whether the decision to continue lay with the rider or the trainer, though the fact that both The Langer and the aforementioned Thyne Spirit were sent out by the same handler may not necessarily paint the individual in question in the best light.
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Nearly choked on my muesli when I read this.Carberry hasn’t the sense he was born with, Fallon, the least said the better, then there’s a few rogues who have been warned off and the rest make Willie Carson look like Einstein.
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Totally disagree.
Jockeys are horsemen and sensible people. They can be trusted to make a rational decision as to the merits of remounting. This is nanny-statism of the worst kind and is symptomatic of how society is going. I can guarantee we won’t be following this lead in Ireland.And how can you be sure jockeys will get it right 100% of the time? What is the motive for re mounting anyway? That’s right, it’s just money. What else can it be? I doubt any owner would exert any pressure on a jockey and tell them to re mount if possible. I don’t see the harm if I were a jockey of accepting the fall/UR, hoping the horse gets up and allowing them to be checked over by the vet. There’s a good chance hopefully of another day. It’s surely a better idea than re mounting and asking the horse to make another effort.
How is it just money? If a football player gets knocked over does he quit? Jockeys are competitive sportsmen and it’s called the will to win. It’s got damn all to do with money. When your blood is pumping during any sort of game the last thing on your mind is pound notes
It’s hard to argue with the BHA when they use the Kauto incident as an example but plenty of horses have been remounted and won with without sutaining injuries.I rode race horses for years and they won’t do a tap for you if they are feeling serious discomfort and you soon know if there’s a problem.
But I’m betwixt and between to be honest as the horses welfare is always a concern but at a push I would say it’s something that should be left to the jockeys to decide. They are afterall not stupid, most of them have great regard for their horses and wouldn’t get back on if they thought a horse wasn’t ok.
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What happens if a rider is unseated either at the start, or on his/her way down to the start?
The ban does not apply to unseatings at or on the way to the start where the attending doctor and veterinary officer are able to confirm that no injury has been sustained by horse or rider.
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Assuming that the doctor and/or veterinary officer notice the incident; assuming that the jockey is honest about any pain they may feel; assuming that those in attendance are able to make a suitable appraisal of wellbeing given the conditions (if it’s teeming down at the start of the National, two minutes before the off, are we to believe that an accurate diagnosis is assured?).
What happens if the doctor and/or veterinary officer fail to spot something serious? Will they be immune from repercussions? If so, who will be liable? If not, why take the decision away from jockeys in the first place?
Still far too blurry for me.
Fist, with the best will in the world, the most perceptive jockey cannot possibly be sure there is no injury in the seconds/minutes after a fall. So much adrenaline is still coursing through the system that the horse may show no outward signs of injury or discomfort at all for a while.
How is it just money? If a football player gets knocked over does he quit? Jockeys are competitive sportsmen and it’s called the will to win. It’s got damn all to do with money. When your blood is pumping during any sort of game the last thing on your mind is pound notes
The chances of a football player being knocked over during a game are a lot higher than a chance of a horse falling I’d think.
Of course it’s to do with money to some extent. For example, some of the few remounts I’ve seen, were to gain placed prize money to get the horse over the line. There’s no denial that is about money. When Ruby Walsh remounted Kauto Star that day at Exeter he would have known that if the horse completed at the least he would have gained prize money that he wouldn’t of if he never remounted.
Not sure if Kauto Star’s connections were too bothered by the place money at stake at Exeter that day.
The horse would probably earned more if he hadn’t sustained an injury and been confined to quarters.
Think it probably had more to do with Ruby’s pride and drive.
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Fist, with the best will in the world, the most perceptive jockey cannot possibly be sure there is no injury in the seconds/minutes after a fall. So much adrenaline is still coursing through the system that the horse may show no outward signs of injury or discomfort at all for a while.
The same could be said of a horse who stumbles on a bend, makes a mistake, puts his hind legs in a water jump or collides with another in mid-air. Should all of these be immediately pulled up as well in case they are injured?
How many horses and jockeys that have been re-mounted have subsequenly been found to be injured or even died from their injuries? It seems to have been very well self-regulated by the jockeys for me.
All you seem to hear is "Kauto Star", no jumps horse has ever won more money than he has since the incident.
In fact some of the examples put up here still had a jockey on the back of the horse or occured on the flat.If safety is paramount and the BHA are really concerned about safety for man and beast why don’t they do something about the use of blindfolds for stalls entry and the overwatering of racetracks producing false ground instead of this nonsense? At least one horse (Fayr Jag) has been killed because of the use of a blindfold, another had it’s chest ripped open by colliding with a car while having one on, another got into the water at Kempton blindfolded and there have been various other incidents of horses running loose with blindfolds on creating danger for horse, jockey and the general public.
There needs to be some strict rules introduced regarding the use of blindfolds if they are continued to be allowed, currently stall handlers can tuck them tightly into the bridle as they feel fit and they are regularly discarded by jockeys at the last minute onto another horse or jockey.Jim McGrath on ATR today was scathing in his criticism of BHA regards this ban on re-mounting, quite rightly in my view.
Interesting gambit – Petrosian just remounted.
Had to check the start of the thread – not banned until 2nd Nov.
Well done Byron Moorcroft for remounting Petrosian and getting over £1200 for connections, the horse finished fresh as a daisy unlike the winner Manorson who didn’t remount but appeared to go lame on the run in and had to be destroyed.
How many horses and jockeys that have been re-mounted have subsequenly been found to be injured or even died from their injuries?
I don’t believe any remounted jockeys have died as yet.
Seems to me that the new weetabix advert has provideed the perfect solution to this minor problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrtQhkibZ8M
We came close to a situation not covered by the new rules this afternoon at Towcester.
When Uncle Eli tried to refuse at the last and dumped Leighton Aspell, Qualypso D’Allier was brought down and his rider Nick Schofield came within inches of landing back in the saddle on Uncle Eli.
I’m not sure whether remounting a different horse is also banned ?
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