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Ready for Rishi? 2022-???? (There’s no telling with this lot)

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  • #1650878
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    They certainly “Don’t like it up em ”

    #1650991
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    Boris resigns ….. I can’t wait to see what’s in the report , drug taking …. Orgies , seriously he’s going before he pushed , also possibly a movement here trying to destabilize Sunaks position , 2 bi elections , if the Tories struggle with 2 decent majorities here then they’ll be mutterings of a change being needed again

    #1650999
    Avatar photoIanDavies
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    Next General Election

    Most Seats
    Labour 1.23
    Conservatives 5.3

    Overall Majority
    Labour 1.75
    No Overall Majority 3.05
    Conservatives 9.4

    No change from what I can see – the lowest have been backed at is 1.21 and the lowest Labour have been backed at for at overall majority is 1.54 so still above those, well above in the case of. majority.

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    #1651026
    Richard88
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    Bye ‘Boris’. Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out. ‘Forced out’, yeah right, always the victim, always someone else’s fault.

    As HDLG says, clearly jumping before he’s pushed, either by his own wrongdoing, or failing that his constituents.

    That’s two stains on the underpants of British politics gone today, quite a few more to go sadly.

    #1651028
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    The Blob are in control.

    #1651030
    Richard88
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    ‘The Blob are in control.’

    13 years. Eff all to do with the so-called ‘Blob’. Always someone else’s fault.

    #1651035
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    Kangaroo court, as the pro-EU ‘plotters’ circle.
    British electorate being used by the Metro-centric blob to portray Starmer as Blair MK2.
    I mentioned The Blob, in here, c9 months ago. Some wondered what the flock i was on about – now you know.

    Behind the scenes, Mandelson, Campbell and their ilk are pulling the SKS ‘strings’.
    Europe ‘ere we come!
    The political elite have pulled the wool over the electorate’s eyes and Joe and Joanne public have fallen for it, hook, line and sinker.

    #1651036
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    Wilts, I always read your views with great interest, but after 13 years in power I struggle with the notion there’s some sort of anti-government elite or establishment.

    Historically, the Conservative Party have been the establishment and the elite.

    I similarly struggle with the concept this government has been undermined by the “Woke.”

    What is being talked about here is simple opposition to the government in a scenario where the government still holds many of the aces in terms of majority MSM support and the backing of big business.

    This government has definitely been unlucky – 2019 has proved a good election to lose, Covid saw to that and the Russian invasion of Ukraine compounded it.

    But the government didn’t handle Covid particularly well, under Johnson they seemed morally bankrupt and “one rule for us, another rule for all of you” was rife and after Johnson there was a truly catastrophic brief Truss tenure, leaving Sunak in a position it was always going to be hard to recover from, not least because he is tainted by association to the Johnson years.

    None of that is the fault of “the Blob” or anything other than this government.

    Would Labour have handled Covid/Ukraine any better?

    Possibly not, but here’s the thing: few care about that question.

    Governments lose elections, oppositions don’t win them.

    All Blair had to do in 97 was purge his Party of the unelectable and keep his nose clean.

    That’s pretty much what Starmer is doing now.

    I’d say he pretty much IS Blair Mk 2, actually.

    But I think he’s heading for a much smaller win.

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    #1651038
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    Who exactly is ‘the political elite’ if not the party that’s been in power for 13 years? All this talk of the Blob, liberal elites, the establishment, woke Civil Service etc is frankly quite close to conspiracy theorist nonsense.

    I suspect that if you believe in such things the BBC is part of the Blob, which you can clearly see from this gushing rubbish from their Political Editor:

    ‘Boris Johnson doesn’t do whispers. Boris Johnson doesn’t do subtle. Boris Johnson doesn’t do black and white or beige.

    He does maximum decibel, absolutely direct and hugely colourful interventions.

    Tonight is one of those.

    Johnson takes pot-shots at Parliament, he takes pot-shots at some of his fellow Conservative MPs and crucially he takes pot-shots at the prime minister.

    But don’t for a minute think this is the end of Boris Johnson. Not a bit of it.

    What it has been yet again, is another day of what Boris Johnson does best – making headlines.’

    #1651043
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    It’s no where near to “conspiracy theorist nonsense”.
    The Left Blob is extremely active. To dismiss it is politically naive.

    And here’s an extract from this eve (to prove my point about Campbell back on the scene):
    Harriet Harman MP re-posted a blog by former Labour spin doctor Alastair Campbell that said the then PM and chancellor Rishi Sunak “broke their own emergency. They lied. Repeatedly. They trashed the ministerial code”.

    #1651045
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    ‘the then PM and chancellor Rishi Sunak “broke their own emergency. They lied. Repeatedly. They trashed the ministerial code”.’

    All of which is fact. Campbell, just like everyone else, is entitled, within reason, to post anything he likes.

    As Ian says, the Tories are the architects of their own downfall. Far from the public having the wool pulled over their eyes as you put it, they are finally seeing the corruption, criminality and incompetence. Cowards like Johnson who are at the heart of it all choose to run away instead of face the music. He’ll be just fine, the rest of us are left with this mess.

    #1651051
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    The sad aspect is how Johnson misused his gifts; he had charisma and was a compelling orator. In time he surely would have become PM, but chose to use Brexit as the vehicle to achieve power. His only interest was self-interest, and even with a huge majority (based on the FPTP electoral system) as PM he continued the same way. He screwed up N Ireland, alienated Scotland, and just kept telling lie after lie after lie.

    #1651052
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    I’ve never understood why Boris is thought of as a great orater , regardless of what he,s saying I find him difficult to listen to , at the end of the day he,s lied , he kept lying and eventually the lies have brought him down , this is the man who has put forward Priti Patel as a dame ….

    #1651064
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    I detested Thatcher, but I could understand why those of her ilk revered her.

    But I have never, EVER, been able to see what some people admire about Johnson.

    From the day I saw him take five minutes to figure out how a revolving door works at Canary Wharf in the 1990s, to the day I saw this dumpy unkempt figure stood near me at Gatwick airport in a suit he looked like he’d slept in under Waterloo Bridge, to his overt, out of touch buffoonery, he has forever looked like a refugee from Monty Python’s Upper Class Twit Of The Year to me.

    His rise to power is as severe an indictment of the values – or lack of them – of modern Britain as I can think of.

    But then we now live in a country so shallow many think Penny Mordaunt should one day be PM because she can hold a big sword still at a ceremony (and probably because she brings out the gimp in some men of a certain age).

    “Hasta La Vista” were the only moderately amusing words that ever came out of Johnson’s mouth for me and he’s been a disaster for Britain, but a disaster Britain inflicted upon itself by electing him.

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    #1651082
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    I think we need to be more worried about the National Conservatism lot than ‘the blob’. Because people don’t really realise that it’s s a worldwide far right movement, not just a group of right wing Conservative MP’s. I’d like to know what Wilts thinks if National Conservatism. And also give me a list of Brexit benefits given that he’s so worried about us rebuilding our links with the EU.

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    And….how can Johnson say there has been a witch hunt. Even just one of Johnson’s transgressions would be enough to end the career of most MP’s. Jennifer Arcuri, trying to illegally prorogue parliament are just two that can’t be denied. His fatal mistake was making the covid rules so strict and legally binding but then ignoring them himself because he has never thought that rules of any kind applied to him.Hoisted by his own petard imo.

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    Worth noting that the committee investigating Johnson is a majority Tory. All it can do is make recommendations to Parliament which is, er, a majority Tory. If he was to be suspended for more than ten days a by-election would be triggered where he would be put before an electorate that was, at last count, a majority Tory.

    But keep believing it’s a kangaroo court and that he’s being forced out by some mythical ‘liberal elite’ if it makes you feel better.

    Remember when Sunak was anointed as leader, and therefore PM, without a vote? They did everything they could to ensure that Johnson didn’t end up on a member ballot that he would obviously have won. Now you know why, they knew what was coming.

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