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    tommylorna
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    I would like help with speed ratings, for example if a horse ran 10 furlongs and another 7 furlongs.
    I can give each horse a rating but I dont know how to adjust for the distance they ran.
    Can anyone help please.

    #421199
    Avatar photowyldesyde
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    I used to be a big fan of the late Ken Hussey, who compiled speed figures for ‘Sporting Chronicle Publications’ under the name ‘SPLIT -SECOND’.

    I don’t know if this guide devised by Mr. Hussey will help, but here it is:

    5f – 6f……..1 length = 4lbs
    7f – 9f……..1 length = 3lbs
    10f – 14f…. 1 length = 2lbs
    15f+………..1 length = 1lb

    1 second = 5 lengths

    Best of luck!

    #421238
    Avatar photoTheBluesBrother
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    The lbs per length which I devised for each course and distance can be obtained from my

    standard time list

    (see below) along with the

    furlong distances

    to use.

    I have

    highlighted

    the use of the lbs per calculation (Distance adjustment) below.

    So in this example, the lbs per length calculation for 5f trip at the Curragh is

    3.37

    , if a horse had run instead over 6f you would adjust the distance and use

    2.82

    lbs per length

    (See Standard times list)

    .

    In this example I used Dave Edwards

    "Top Speed"

    going allowance as an example, when I compile my own speed ratings I use my own going allowances 8)

    Here is an example how I rated the 2yo

    "Dawn Approach"

    over 5f trip at the Curragh on Sunday 25th March.

    One thing to note is that I do not use

    Weight For Age

    in my calcuations, you can if you want.

    1. The going time for the race was

    +6.93s

    above standard.
    2. The going allowance was

    -0.9s/f

    per furlong (the yeiding going was slowing the horses down).
    3. I use

    .2 secs

    per length.

    Now for the calculation:

    multiply 5 furlongs by the going allowance i.e. -0.9

    5 x -0.9 = -4.50s

    As the race was run

    +6.93s

    outside standard subtract the updated going allowance correction i.e

    -4.50s

    . (note that if the going allwance was

    +4.50s

    you will have to add the going correction)

    +6.93-4.50 = +2.43s.

    Now divide the corrected going allowance of +2.43 by .2 secs per length.

    2.43 /.2 = 12.15 lengths.

    multipy the lengths by the lbs. per length calculation which is 3.37 lbs per length for 5f trip at the Curragh.

    12.15 x 3.37 = 40.94

    now subtract the figure 40.94 from 100.

    100-40.94 = 59.06 or rounded down 59.

    As Dawn Approach carried

    9st 5lb

    we now have to adjust the speed figure of

    59

    .
    For weight carried over 9st adjust the figure for the rating i.e.

    59 + 5lb =

    64

    ( this is Dawn Approach speed figure).

    So if Dawn Approach had carried 8-11 we would have had to subtract 3lb from his speed figure i.e.

    59 – 3lbs = 56.

    Once you have arrived at any horses speed figure you could add the Weight for age allowance, I don’t because it corrupts the ratings.

    Compiling speed ratings is easy :shock:

    Dawn Approach

    ended up as my highest rated 2yo with a speed figure of

    102

    :D

    #421248
    Avatar photomlmrob
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    Excellent post Blues Brother. Do you use excel to calculate the figures?

    #421251
    Avatar photoTheBluesBrother
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    Excellent post Blues Brother. Do you use excel to calculate the figures?

    Yes I do.

    I use an excel macro which lays out the whole meeting, all I do then is add the distance in furlongs + my lbs per length calculations, this calculates the speed figures to a going allowance of 0.00s/f per furlong.

    The next step is to then build up the excel table using various factors and means which I have developed, to calculate the going allowance.

    Without the means to work out the daily going allowances, your speed figures will never be accurate 8)

    #421345
    Slowly Away
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    I would like help with speed ratings, for example if a horse ran 10 furlongs and another 7 furlongs.
    I can give each horse a rating but I dont know how to adjust for the distance they ran.
    Can anyone help please.

    To answer your specific question I adjust all race distances to a mile

    So if the 7F race was 3.5 seconds slower than standard, divide that by 7 and times by 8 = 4 seconds per mile slow

    if the 10F race was 5 seconds slower than standard, divide by 10 and times by 8 = 4 seconds per mile slow

    then work out your ratings on the basis of the ‘per mile’ time so you’re always comparing like with like

    #421358
    Avatar photomlmrob
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    • Total Posts 27

    Thanks Blues Brother, learning curve continues to rise. :)

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