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Hugely impressive performance by the winner GW both during the preliminaries and especially the race .Also a good ride from the veteran Kinane standing in for Fallon.<br>Anyone notice that Seamus Heffernan got done for 14 days for improper riding under rules relating to "Team Tactics – Pacemakers" for alleged deliberate interference to Librettist.<br>This apparently provoked a blazing row in the weighing room betweem Dettori and O’Brien.<br>Dettori rides Ascot wonderfully well but he gave the outside up to no-one and tried to get to make up ground quickly in an attempt to get to the front rank. <br>Presumably he felt that on dead ground that was the place to be and furtermore that was how his mount had won those two French Group 1s albeit off a soft pace.<br>Doubt that Dettori will be picking up rides for Ballydoyle eg controversially on Scorpion again in a hurry.<br>Anyone see the incident or comment on the respective roles of the 3 Ballydoyle horses in general.<br>Incidentally, another bad day for Godolphin whose 2 QE11 horses disappointed. No Group 1 wins in the UK this year and just 2 races left.
Interesting. Librettist did get a hefty bump turning for home, noted it at the time but it looked accidental and you’d have to be an optimist of the highest order to think it might have affected the result. Still, at that moment with Librettist looming and looking possibly like he might go on perhaps a wee nudge was deemed appropriate by Heffernan.
I’d have paid the entry fee x 2 to see Dettori and AOB going at it though (well, not ‘at it’ but at it – oh you know what I mean) !
Have a look at Dettori stats since new course opened, he is under 4% and a liability at present
I hope O’Brien brought up the pacemaker incident during Galileo vs Fantastic Light in Ireland 5 years ago.
Pacemakers are part and parcel of horse racing these days – it is tactics and class that wins racing, but tactics are a huge part. Ouija Board came so far back in Dubai because of a slow pace, and also in America last year.
So why should Ballydoyle make the above incidents inevitable by allowing Frankie an uncontested lead? It is quite simply Frankie’s fault – he didn’t have to go for the lead on Librettist, a point highlighted by some other forumites, and he certainly didn’t have to go so wide. Should have sat and waited, just as Kinane did on GW.
River Tiber and Ivan Denisovic played the part of the 2 pacemakers a la Bustino in the Diamond Stakes of 75. In all fairness though, although used as a pacemaker, Ivan D deserved to take his chance.
Should have sat and waited, just as Kinane did on GW.
<br>mmmm…no
Not L’s style of racing
it did look a bit "off" to me but didnt affect result
also J, pacemakers are being used LESS these days than before. But anyway….
Examples I can think of –
Frost Giant in the 2000 Guineas<br>Dylan Thomas in the Derby<br>Fire and Rain in the St. Leger<br>Temple Place in the Irish Champ Stakes last year (for Motivator)<br>Royal Alchemist in the Eclipse<br>Ace in the Irish Champ Stakes<br>The 2 in the Irish Champ Stakes in 2001<br>River Tiber in 3 of George’s races<br>George must have also had a couple as a 2yo<br>Not to mention the one-pacemaker-a-race situation in France
Just Frankie making excuses for his own poor performance.<br>Having just watched the replay again, it seems to me that Ivan Denisovitch didn’t do anything wrong. Why should Frankie have a right to go where he wants?
Anyone notice that Seamus Heffernan got done for 14 days for improper riding under rules relating to "Team Tactics – Pacemakers" for alleged deliberate interference to Librettist.
"Alleged"?
Wrong word. He was found guilty and given 14 days.
Just Frankie making excuses for his own poor performance.
So, why did Heffernan get the ban?
I’ve watched the incident a few times and the horse swerved out and hit Librettist.
Now, I don’t know how deliberate that was (I’m no jockey), but if it was deliberate, it was a serious bit of foul play.
(and potentially dangerous)
Having said that, Librettist was just starting to make a move and seemed to carry through that move without any disruption, even after being bumped.
So, I don’t think it mad a difference to the placings.
However, the stewards have shown they think that Heffernan was cheating. And that reflects badly on the whole Ballydoyle team.
Steve
I thought Heffernan steered a slightly wide course for a short distance before the turn for home thereby keeping Librettist out but the bump on the home turn was accidental and was caused by Araafa on his inside moving out. The whole thing warranted a quiet word but no more.
Quote: from cormack15 on 10:03 pm on Sep. 23, 2006[br]
I’d have paid the entry fee x 2 to see Dettori and AOB going at it though (well, not ‘at it’ but at it – oh you know what I mean) !<br>
Haha. I’d have paid to see it too. And i’d have taken along Popcorn.
There’s no way that Librettist was greatly effected by Heffernans riding. There’s no doubt in my mind that the result would have been any different. GW had no worries.
Was this the same outfit that ran Blatant "as a pacemaker" in last years QEII to try to prevent Rakti from settling?
Really and truely Godolphin have more to be worrying about than this…
Agreed Aidan.<br>It’s easy to blame others for your own inadequacies.<br>The fact is that Godolphin have been pretty poor this year and they need to take a good look at their whole operation, jockeys included.
It was also interesting to note Dettori making a late grand entrance when he arrived mid afternoon, greeting Balding and Carson, his earlier mounts being non runners.<br>Far for me to cite lack of professionalism in Godolphin and Dettori knows his way around the place and had ridden the day before.<br>However due to spells of rain the going was uncertain and patchy and in contrast O’Brien was out walking the course with his jockeys (perhaps deciding where the interference should take place!)
Two points –
Aidan – running a pacemaker to unsettle another horse by contesting the lead is one thing, running a ‘pacemaker’ who, when dropping off the lead, physically hampers your main rival, deliberately in the view of the stewards, is quite another.
Jackane – Quote "It is quite simply Frankie’s fault – he didn’t have to go for the lead on Librettist, a point highlighted by some other forumites, and he certainly didn’t have to go so wide." No, he didn’t, but his choosing to so do should not render the action of Heffernan in any way excusable. To say that it was Frankie’s fault that Librettist took the bump he did displays naivety in the most extreme sense of the word.
Anyway – I’m more of a Coolmorian than a Godolphian so I’ll let it drop there. Keen rivalry between these two does add an edge to things and, despite the unsavoury and potentially dangerous nature of that incident, it does add another spice to an altogether flavoursome dish.
Just seen the slo mo on BBC <br>Apparently Heffernan was banned not for the bump but for an incident just before where all he seemed to be doing was holding his position and keeping Dettori on the outside.<br>Dettori had chosen to rush up there so I reckon he complaneth too much
I watched the race 4 times on video and I don’t know why so much fuss is being made. Librettist was forced a bit wide by Ivan Denisovich but it was not a significant movement and this sort of thing happens regularly in racing. Seems very harsh to give the jockey a 14 day ban in my opinion and didn’t make any difference to the result.
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What was BBC’s slant on it, were they saying the stewarts were right or wrong?
running a pacemaker to unsettle another horse by contesting the lead is one thing, running a ‘pacemaker’ who, when dropping off the lead, physically hampers your main rival, deliberately in the view of the stewards, is quite another
Like someone else said, it was not the bump before hand, it was Heffernan’s positioning earlier in the race.
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