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    andyod
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    Giving the jockey a holiday for winning a group race by cheating does not hurt. Changing places does. I agree with such rulings no matter what. Cheats should not be rewarded.

    #248688
    andyod
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    You don’t get relegated for winning ,just for cheating. Be honest.

    #248689
    Avatar photoOur Vic
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    Pathetic decision, absolutely pathetic. Proven totally correct by how poor Stacelita is, proven totally correct by doing a Dar Re Mi-Spanish Moon double and then you get this kind of [expletive] thrown at you, disgraceful.

    I wonder if Sea The Stars will get thrown out if he beats Stacelita by a neck in the Arc. Embarrassing decision.

    Well said. Also, i have to kind of disagree with you there about Stacelita, i think that she would have hacked up over 10f, so L’opera would be good for her.

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    Avatar photoZarkava
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    You don’t get relegated for winning ,just for cheating. Be honest.

    :roll:

    Then don’t run pacemakers that interfere with other runners.

    #248692
    rich170
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    The only cheating in that race was done by the french when the pacemaker came off the rail to let Stacelita in which is against the rules. Ive never heard a french racing offical actually explain the reason for the rule but what do we expect when a british horse beats a french horse.
    But all us on here me included are mouning about losing are bets think about how much the owners have lost instead of winning 166,272 euro they get 8,330 and miss out on a group on the breeding.

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    Avatar photoZarkava
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    Rich, I couldn’t care less about my losing £10 double, I won £350 yesterday on Mastery. What I care about is that the horses get the recognition they deserve and the horses that deserve to win getting their wins.

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    Geddon Dar Re Mi – What a filly, she should go BC Filly & Mare Turf now as she’s in it. Staclita ran really well but was just outbattled by better horse –

    She should stay for the L’Opera on Arc day, will absolutely hack up.

    A line through Roman Empress puts Chinese White close enough to Dar Re Mi. She has a good chance going to France. I’d take her to beat Stacelita if she goes in the L’Opera rather than the Arc. Should be a nice price on the PMU.

    #248712
    andyod
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    I agree zarkava. Interfering with other horses should be a reason for sanctions and disqualification of the horse (and jockey) who does such a thing.There are legal ways to vanquish the best horse e.g. slow pace,fast pace, better jockey etc but otherwise let the best horse win.To run a horse with the intention to interfere is a very serious offense While on the subject of serious offenses putting another’s life at risk deserves more than a ten day ban in my opinion.

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    Avatar photoThe Ante-Post King
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    Another disgraceful decision from the French Stewards today,but hey we have come to expect it.The problem is now we punters will become paranoid about betting in France with their pathetic rules! this all stems back from the day the French super horse Sagace was disqualified from winning his 2nd Arc by the local stewards who saw fit to award Rainbow Quest the race,for the slightest of nudges! Those Stewards were sent to the Bastille and were never seen again! From that day on the French policy is to throw out every British raider for failing to keep a straight line!
    All except Dylan Thomas who must have crossed 4 lanes of traffic before
    winning! Even the Great Dancing Brave picked up a speeding ticket from them for flying past Bering! What if Sea the stars was to "lean" like he does,onto Stacelita inside the last furlong and win by a neck! Sacre bleu!

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    Where is Stacelita now to defend his favourite filly??

    #248721
    andyod
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    I have watched English jockeys and Irish jockeys heading for the rail in the last furlong of the Ark and they were all allowed to keep the race.I am referring to Eddery, Kinane, and Fallon in particular on Dylan Thomas.All three should have been disqualified.All three seemed to ignore the accordion effect of such behavior.Strangely enough I cannot recall Lester using such illegal tactics.Local lads seem to think as long as it is not in front of the stands anything goes.Not so.

    #248727
    tenbob
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    gutted done twice in a week
    first with kirby and now the french
    first past the post but done by the small print
    thank god for mastery and kite wood forcast

    #248742
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    An Anti-British i feel is in French Racing.

    How Dylan Thomas kept his ARC and Dar Re Mi didnt is one that would puzzle even the most ardent French Racing Fans.

    That Stunk today

    #248755
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    Whats there to defend? The special filly retains her unbeaten record by a cosy 2+ lengths :oops: when clearly at the naked eye from the outset looking nowhere near race fit maybe (70 %) max, whereas Da re mi was clearly at the peak of her powers.
    I could go on the trainer is not firing at present the ground was against her (shes just as quick or quicker on soft) according to Lemaire, she likes a faster pace than she got today, was fresh from start so she wasn’t settled like she normally is probably due to the 3 month break. Yet she still wins! :P

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    Stacelita
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    Pathetic decision, absolutely pathetic. Proven totally correct by how poor Stacelita is[/color:1don8b9g][/size:1don8b9g], proven totally correct by doing a Dar Re Mi-Spanish Moon double and then you get this kind of [expletive] thrown at you, disgraceful.

    I wonder if Sea The Stars will get thrown out if he beats Stacelita by a neck in the Arc. Embarrassing decision.

    That is shocking you tell me just how poor she is and I will hit you back until the cows come home.

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    Whats there to defend? The special filly retains her unbeaten record by a cosy 2+ lengths :oops: when clearly at the naked eye from the outset looking nowhere near race fit maybe (70 %) max, whereas Da re mi was clearly at the peak of her powers.
    I could go on the trainer is not firing at present the ground was against her (shes just as quick or quicker on soft) according to Lemaire, she likes a faster pace than she got today, was fresh from start so she wasn’t settled like she normally is probably due to the 3 month break. Yet she still wins! :P

    She wouldn’t be 100% fit that’s for sure but if she was the new Zarkava she wouldn’t have to be. There were 5 other horses finished right up her backside which sums up just how strong the form is. She certainly wasn’t stopping like a horse who was short of a gallop so she’d be fit enough if she was good enough. The truth is that’s the first tme she’s taken on good horses and although she’s run very well she simply isn’t the superstar the hype said she was.

    In my opinion she doesn’t have enough toe to slip the fireld in the Arc and she’ll get swallowed up in the home straight and finish out the frame. Good filly but as I said before wouldn’t win an Arc with a rocket tied to her backside

    #248761
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    I just backed Conduit again at 10/1 and you can still get 9/1 if your quick

    What if he wins by a neck Fist, does your bookie pay double result on French races?

    My bookie/agent is Irish not stupid :lol: ..Something that’s never crossed my mind to be honest but isn’t UK and Ireland only is the norm? Those French would disqualify you if a UK horse looked at a Frenchie the wrong way. PP paid double result I see but it would appear out of the goodness of heir hearts/good publicity…as I don’t bet direct, in a case like that then it’s all down to trust on my part but never had a problem in 10 years.

    I’ve looked and looked at that race and it’s hard to tell how badly the 5th horse was actually affected’ He was just starting to pick up but was very one paced in the last 1/2 furlong…doubt if that was due to the bump but there was a bump and it was Dar Ra Mei’s fault. Very hard decision but they have their rules and we have ours.

    I would be well peeved if I had backed the winner with someone other than PP, but when in Rome as they say

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