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Oxx won’t let STS face anything on soft, so I doubt he’s running scared of Stacelita!
http://world-horse-racing.blogspot.com/ … aint+alary
Check this out and while you’re at it check out Sariska’s Irish Oaks win. Why would Oxx who lets say knows a thing or 2 about Horseracing even mention Stacelita in the same sentence as STS if she is so inferior as some of you seem to think?
It is true the ground in Ireland is heavier than Longchamp but that doesn’t mean Sariska is a plodder. However if the ground is good to soft on the softer side or worse I’m 90% sure Youmzain will be in the top 2 or 3.What I’m saying is Oxx wouldn’t let STS face anything on soft, not even Hercules the Steptoe horse, so the fact he says he wouldn’t want to face Stacelita on soft is neither here nor there.
I agree with SHL. Its a pretty uninspiring (although admirable..if that makes sense) bunch of older horses lining up
I simply cannot see STS being beaten unless the long season has got to him. Hes a great horse in every sense but I do feel that in the historical context Dancing Brave’s victory will always been seen in a better light given that that was a terrific field. A reason why I would love to see STS stay in training
Its hard to imagine the likes of F&G beating him now, even with more favourable conditions. Im beginning to think that STS could even be at his best over 12f. he seemed to have so much to spare at Leopardstown
Of the other, most to fear from Stacelita. Wouldnt be concerned about the last race after a lay off. It is a more than a fair bet that she was being primed for this (didnt the trainer indicate run was needed?) and whilst the form of her early season wins is not exciting, the manner was
And i really like Dar rei me. A real professional and tough filly who might suprise
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They should move Stacelita to AOBs yard. She’d make a grand pacemaker. She’ll come of the bend and lead at Lonchamp then 2 furlongs out fold like a pack of cards. I’d lay her for everything I own I am so confident she can’t and won’t win. Even if Sea the Stars doesn’t run I doubt if she’ll make the first 4 or 5. Most overrated filly in France.
There seems to be alot of trainers saying their horses would like the softer ground. I wonder how much tap water they’re gonnae piss on the turf if it looks like no rain is forthcoming ?
STS is now odds on with some firms
How can this be possible.
First of all his Derby win is blown out of proportion. Epsom has a down hill finish which makes it possible for horses with stamina doubts to stay the trip not forgetting the steady gallop as well. Also why didn’t he go for the Irish Derby? Secondly he’s been getting a good trail in his races from favourable draws which makes it easier for him with his high cruising speed to stamp his authority.
Remember Authorized 2 years ago absolutely hacked up in the Derby but then in the Arc got the widest draw had to encounter softer ground and duly got thumped.
My point is if STS is drawn high then it will be very difficult for him to make the frame with more seasoned opponents maybe softer ground and a fast pacemaker in Stacelita.
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Sea The Stars is no more likely to be drawn wide than any other horse, so I don’t see that that should have an overbearing effect at this stage, and the downhill finish at Epsom owes much (in fact everything) to the uphill start. As for favourable draws in small fields – it’s a pretty weak argument for opposing a horse of this calibre.
STS didnt go for the irish derby because of the ground not the distance
Fist…why wont Stacelita stay? Out of Manduro? Im no breddinge xpert but doesnt he get middle distance horses easily enough?
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She’s by Monsun, Clive, but his progeny do, as you state, stay exceptionally well; Manduro, Shirocco, Samum, Getaway and Schiaparelli all grace his list of offspring.
They should move Stacelita to AOBs yard. She’d make a grand pacemaker. She’ll come of the bend and lead at Lonchamp then 2 furlongs out fold like a pack of cards. I’d lay her for everything I own I am so confident she can’t and won’t win. Even if Sea the Stars doesn’t run I doubt if she’ll make the first 4 or 5. Most overrated filly in France.
You taking match bets Stacelita vs The Bogberry?
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STS didnt go for the irish derby because of the ground not the distance
Fist…why wont Stacelita stay? Out of Manduro? Im no breddinge xpert but doesnt he get middle distance horses easily enough?
Never said she wouldn’t stay said she’s fold like a pack of cards. By that I mean when the pressure is out on her between the last two furlongs she won’t be able to fight off strong finishers like Conduit, Sea the Stars or Fame and Glory etc……fillies going to put herself up to be shot at nothing surer
If the ground remains on the fast side there’s likely to be a smallish field- the Tote’s 4/5 with a run isn’t a bad price IMO as I can see STS starting more like 4/7 on the day if conditions are favourable.
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You wouldn’t be far of the mark at 4/7 and 4/5 is some offer considering Oxx most likely wont run if unsuitable. NO matter what they say now, I just cant see him taking on Conduit and co over 1m4f on soft ground..everything to lose nothing to gain as he’s already going to make top stud fees. Just wouldn’t make sense
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I couldn’t back Stacelita with someone else’s money. She’s no Zarkava and fillies really struggle to win Arcs without the class of last year’s winner. Stacelita certainly does not possess Zarkava’s level of ability.
Hope you haven’t done too much cash on the ante post market folks. The opinion hasn’t changed since June.
If a filly is good enough, she will win the arc, regardless of any stats. Alternatively you would have to argue that the allowance is not big enough, which i doubt
Very few horses in the last twenty years are Zarakavas. It is almost a quirk that we may have seen two stupendously talented beasts within a short time and one of them runs in the arc this year
A filly doesnt have to be Zarakava to win the arc. Frankly, taking STS out, im not at all sure that this is a particularly strong renewal.
Fist…i simply havent seen anything in Stacelitas performances to suggest that, but up to you i suppose
Arc winners are, unsurprisingly, stoutly bred individuals. This is probably the biggest hurdle Stacelita has to overcome in her quest to make it back to back wins for the fairer sex. There is a distinct lack of influential sires in the filly’s pedigree and it is highly likely she will be out of her depth against the colts and older horses.
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