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Without a doubt Crane Poole and Schmitt
Denny Crane!!!! Never lost a case never will
Denny is too busy
I’d want someone with a good brain, honest and reliable with good experience of the different sides of racing to lead the crew
Phil Tuck would be my number 1.
Victor Chandler may be a bookie but he’s known for his fairness, his input would be invaluable.
Harry Findlay to keep an eye on VC
Ferdy Murphy to keep Harry in line
Steve Melish and Lydia would be my first two without even having to give it any thought. Let me think, yeah Chapman as the third and also Big Mac.
I suppose the other three would need
someone
to make the tea KF!
Yes I’d happily make Tea,listen to my Teamates diplomatically put the views across of Joe Punter then I’d tell em how it REALly is! No Mincing of words,No ‘grey’ areas,No panickin because Cheltenhams fast approaching and the Sh*t was heading straight for the fan,Oh No when I had finished there would be 2 more vacant seats needing filling in Holborn House,thats after they had come out from under the table ‘they’ have been hiding under!
I could gloat but hey there’s really nothing to gloat about it was so bloody obvious to the REAL punters on here that those Clowns rehearsing at High Holborn Circus couldn’t juggle one Rule book never mind the second one! I take No pleasure from ‘Whippin it Up’! Punters, not journalists, or personalities that don’t bet. They couldn’t afford him, but that Glenn Alcoe fella is always worth listening to, and he could have time on his hands this summer now he won’t be smashing up Hamdan’s gate to wire good things.
Jim (C4) McGrath
Alan Potts
Steve Mellish
Sean Boyce.Deffo not Chapman and McCrirrick.
Value Is EverythingNothing wrong with John McCrirrick Ginge, apart from the fact he’s a self centred bafoon who is deliberately controversial to enhance his own career at the expense of others.
You’d really need a tough genuine man leading the way and a calmer element backing him up. Barney Curley is a no no he’d be liable to hook someone.
With time to think about it I’d have Terry Norman in my 4 he’s got a brilliant mind never gives anyone else a chance to talk until he gets his point of view across. He knows the game inside out, especially the punting side of things. He’s as straight talking as they come, doesn’t hesitate to tell you that your wrong if he disagrees with you and wouldn’t put up with anyone trying to pull the wool over his eyes. He’d be perfect for the job IMO
Derek Thompson
Peter Naughton
Steve Mellish
Dave NevisonRes Mark Howard
The mind boggles at what the combined annual betting turnover of the four amounts to.
Anyone hazard a guess?
Nobody – punters are customers of the bookmakers / exchanges they are not direct customers of "Racing PLC", just secondary customers.
Therefore any "representation" – if any is required at all – should be via the bookmakers.
Punters are merely consumers and there is no compulsion to wager on horse racing, if they don’t like what is on offer they can vote with their feet – although, of course, most will not because of their compulsive behaviour.
I would venture to suggest most punters who bet on horse racing have no real interest in the inner workings of the sport, they just see it as a medium to try and achieve an elusive win.
There is plenty of evidence from some of the postings on the forums, mainly on Betfair but also on here, that no matter how whiter than white, how perfectly regulated the sport is, losing punters will blame anything / anyone other than themselves when their selection loses. They cannot accept their own shortcomings.
Bad jockeyship, bent trainers, non-triers etc. etc. – frankly I am sick to the back teeth hearing from whinging, pocket talking losers – the thought that such people should have a say in how the sport is run is defies belief.
Anybody who thinks professional punters have any interest in the small punter is deluded, they are the last people who should represent the "average" punter.
Derek Thompson
Peter Naughton
Steve Mellish
Dave NevisonThe mind boggles at what the combined annual betting turnover of the four amounts to.
Anyone hazard a guess?
Does Nevison still ride the rattler, hit the turf and bet large or does he just bugger about on Bodugi nowadays?
On the assumption he does still emerge from his bedsit occasionally for a breath of fresh and a fondle of the folding, then turnover-wise I’d estimate the share to be
97% Nevison
2.989% Mellish
0.01% Naughton
0.001% ThompsonMy punters’ reps would be
Glenn Alcoe
Sean Boyce
Mark Coton
Alan Potts – Where is he now? Anyone seen him? Does he still bet?Edit:
Though I largely agree with Paulostemeyer’s post above. My selected fearsome foursome would spend much of their time pissing-into-the-wind
Paul is spot on. ‘Punters’ have no sense of being a ‘group’, imo, and care only for themselves as individuals.
Occasionally, a punter tries to rally other punters to a particular cause – like accurate going reports – but it has never, in my memory, had any effect.
I’d be very interested to read the job description should the BHA decide to appoint someone. I certainly wouldn’t like the task of writing it.
Though I largely agree with Paulostemeyer’s post above. My selected fearsome foursome would spend much of their time pissing-into-the-wind
Which is pretty much what Phil Bull found many years ago, and others involved in sincere but ill-fated attempts for punter representation have on and off since.
The prinicipal problem as far as punter representation is concerned is that the vast majority of punters couldn’t give a t***. A percentage may moan a lot but most haven’t the inclination to do anything about it.
Rob
Nobody – punters are customers of the bookmakers / exchanges they are not direct customers of "Racing PLC", just secondary customers.
Therefore any "representation" – if any is required at all – should be via the bookmakers.
Punters are merely consumers and there is no compulsion to wager on horse racing, if they don’t like what is on offer they can vote with their feet – although, of course, most will not because of their compulsive behaviour.
I would venture to suggest most punters who bet on horse racing have no real interest in the inner workings of the sport, they just see it as a medium to try and achieve an elusive win.
There is plenty of evidence from some of the postings on the forums, mainly on Betfair but also on here, that no matter how whiter than white, how perfectly regulated the sport is, losing punters will blame anything / anyone other than themselves when their selection loses. They cannot accept their own shortcomings.
Bad jockeyship, bent trainers, non-triers etc. etc. – frankly I am sick to the back teeth hearing from whinging, pocket talking losers – the thought that such people should have a say in how the sport is run is defies belief.
Anybody who thinks professional punters have any interest in the small punter is deluded, they are the last people who should represent the "average" punter.
Although I agree with you Paul, most punters (or at least a significant number) don’t give a xxxx about "horse racing" and are only interested in gambling. That is why I said definitely not Chapman or McCrirrick who seem to pander to those types. Just because some punters are not interested in "racing" does not mean the rest of us should not be represented. We do contribute quite a bit, after all. If I had the brains, like to think I would "represent the average punter" without thinking of myself (not that I am putting myself foreward). Therefore, I don’t see why others, like McGrath, Mellish, Potts and Boyce couldn’t represent the "average" punter just as well as the "serious" one. The two are not so far apart. Sean even has a bookmaker background, which should stand him in good stead. They wouldn’t be representing the mug punter mentality of the kind both you and I hate anyway (those who blame others for their own mistakes). Such people would not "have a say".
I’ve met Alan Potts on the racecourse many times, he has a knowledge about the whole of racing. Although we have our differences, it’s clear he appreciates the difficulties of other aspects of racing too (trainers, owners, etc) which is ideal in a position like this. From Alan’s time on this forum Paul, I would’ve thought you’d understand he has racing’s interests at heart.Value Is EverythingPaul is spot on. ‘Punters’ have no sense of being a ‘group’, imo, and care only for themselves as individuals.
Thanks.
Value Is EverythingMr Simon Rowlands to implement the technical advancements – Sectional timing, better going reports, weighing of horses, centralized stewarding etc…
Mr Harry Findlay to setup the high turnover low takeout parimutuel betting product and scratch cards.
Mr Sean Boyce for PR. Pragmatism personified when it comes to Racings indelible relationship with betting.
Superintendent Glenn Alcoe. SAY NO MORE.
A pleasing list.
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