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I just noticed that Mossey Joe is on the ante-post list for next year’s RSA chase. He’s available to back at 30s and there’s £10 to lay at 50s.
For those who haven’t quite twigged yet, Mossey Joe is guaranteed not to run in next year’s RSA chase since that chase win of his last April makes him ineligible for said contest.
So if you are one with sufficient funds and are willing to wait however long it would take for your free tenner then you’re welcome
True
But only if the oversight was spotted and/or a challenge/complaint was lodged.
I suppose it’s a bet to nothing that nobody else will notice
2% profit (less commission) for 10 months holding of your money, not worth it really is it? Despite interest rates being poor you could still beat that in a building society
I’m bumping this instead of starting another thread.
Since I first posted this, there has been £359 staked on the horse on betfair, the majority at 25.
I understand that a novice will still be legible for novice races which overlap into the next season through the summer months. Nevertheless, people are still backing him for the RSA chase and even Racing Post analyst Brian Fleming referred to him as a novice.
One of two things is happening here;-
1) Novice Hunter chases, like the one Mossey Joe won at Tipperary on the 29th of April 2010, are not classified as chases for qualification purposes a la PTPs and I’m kicking up a fuss over nothing.
2) Some people need their Betfair accounts closed for their own good and Brian Fleming shouldn’t be in a job he’s clearly not qualified to do. Especially in this time of economic uncertainty and high unemployment.
So what’s going on?
Cheers for your thought thehorsesmouth.
Ah… from The Irish Turf Club rule book;-
For the purpose of the 2010/2011 National Hunt season:- "Novice" for hurdle races is a horse which has not won a hurdle race prior to 25th April, 2010, and for steeplechases is a horse which has not won a steeplechase prior to 25th April, 2010,
other than one hunter steeplechase within the previous two National Hunt seasons
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Obviously, this is from last year but I imagine it will still be the same this year so apologies to Brian Fleming
However… from The British Horseracing Authority;-
7. Novice horses
7.1 A horse is a Novice, in respect of a flat race, if the horse is permitted to run in the race in accordance with the definition of any novice flat race category defined in Rule 4.7.
7.2 A horse is a Novice, in respect of a Hunters’ Steeple Chase, if the horse is permitted to run in the race in accordance with the definition of Novice Hunters’ Steeple Chase in Rule 5.5.2.
7.3 In respect of any steeple chase which is run in The Jump Season 2011/2012 and is not within Paragraph 7.2,a horse is a Novice if the horse has not won a steeple chase before April 24th, 2011.
So Mossey Joe will NOT be legible to run in this season’s RSA chase. Which means I’m ultimately right
I feel like I’ve learnt something today. I hope you all have too.
I think he’ll still be eligible to run, no?
How can he be a novice here and not in England.
Surely, if he’s based here and is a novice here, he’ll be able run in the RSA?
Confused.com!
Well the racing in each of the countries is governed by the regulatory bodies of the respective nation.
In Ireland, you’re still considered to be a novice so long as you’ve won no more than one hunter chase. That hunter chase having been in the previous two seasons.
In Britain, you’ve only a novice if you’ve not won a chase before April 24th. There are no specific exemptions for hunter chases.
So whilst Mossey Joe is still legible for the big novice chase at the Leopardstown in Christmas, the P.J Moriarty and the Powers Gold Cup and Punchestown etc, he wouldn’t be legible for any novice chase in the UK.
That’s my understanding of it. I dare say that if Mossey Joe is to run in the RSA, not only would he be setting a precedent but the BHA will need to do some tweaking in their rulebook.
What does the phrase "not within Paragraph 7.2" mean from the BHA rulebook?
It would appear to suggest that a horse who has won a Novice Hunters Chase can still be classed as a Novice
This is turning into a semantic headache…
My interpretation is that 7.2 applies only to Novice Hunter Chases as the cut off point for hunters is the 6th of June 2010
5.5.2 a Novice Hunters’ Steeple Chase if it is a Weight-for-Age Steeple Chase confined to Amateur Riders and to horses which
5.5.2.1 are certified by a Master of Hounds to have been hunted, and
5.5.2.2 in respect of any race run or to be run in 2011, have not won a steeple chase before June 6th, 2010,7.3 applies to any chase(including novice chases) that isn’t mentioned in 7.2.
You are correct regarding Mossey Joe Batchelor’s Hall. Eligible for novice chases in Ireland, but not in Britain, more importantly not eligible for the RSA. Here’s a link to the article on RP:
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